The earth was warming faster in 1715.

The earth has been cooling for the last 7 years.

Enough scientists are saying that, but that's "right wing propaganda".
It's not reported on.
The number of scientist saying one or the other doesn't really matter if only the one side is reported on.

You made a claim now back it up or ...Figures and scientists come on now it aint hard if your right..

What claim?

I could google a bunch of stuff.
But you're just going to say that it's propaganda from the oil and coal industry.

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The facts one side brings are ridiculed as being oil lobby propaganda.
Not accepting facts the other side brings is ridiculed because it goes against consensus.

What's the way out of that?

You know the question name these scientists who are saying there is no global warming caused by man??If you dont ill assume there is none.For Every one you name ill better it.Google it if you must.

You better it? You mean that there's more scientists who agree with you than me? That's not how science works. Galilei, Pasteur and Einstein didn't need 51% of scientists on their side to be right. Nobody cares exactly how many agree. Science needs one person to be right, not a majority to agree.
I gave you my reasoning:
there isn't really a consensus.
-Most of this hype is created by green-groups, who just want more donations. And of course by companies that profit from the hype, like carbon credit companies.
-The western governments want to throttle consumption of oil in the western world.
-Most scientists are directly or indirectly dependent on government funding.
-Funding is directed to scientists that agree with the narrative.
-This does not happen directly, but though sub-groups that sign "climate-reaction agreements".
-Most importantly any result opposing the narrative will be buried and not reported on.
-Few scientists are directly told what to come up with. (Some are employed by Al Gore's companies.)
-A few scientists are lying, they deliver the results that fit the narrative.
-Most scientists are aware what will get them ahead, so they bend facts a little to not go too far against the narrative.

And that adds up to enough scientists to declare "consensus".

There you go, that's less of a conspiracy theory than the whole carbon goes there and does this, and this is warmer because of that.
Except that there is less carbon and it doesn't go there and there is no warmth.

That's my belief. If you or Didymos have anything to convince me except statistics, that I cant verify, a claim of consensus, that I can't verify, or rejecting all counter-arguments coal lobby propaganda, then go ahead!

Waffle ,waffle, waffle and you know it...When it comes to it all your aspiring to is rhetoric waffle..Just give me the names of those scientists who support your views, it cant be that hard..

Skeptic: eSkeptic: Wednesday, November 12th, 2008 Dont be silly, this is old news and has been debunked on many occassions.Even this guy admits we have global warming, something you deny.

You believe, you believe that does not mean a damned thing.

The majority of scientists believe we have possible catastrophic global warming caused by human activity.

Let me ask you this. If all those politicians are really so concerned with carbon dioxide. Why is the only solution they seem to pursue reducing burning of fossil fuel? They seem not at all interested in developing an alternative. Why don't those European governments, that are so concerned with the ice caps, start a giant program to get hydrogen fuel up and running? All I hear is: shut down the economy. Why? Because they don't care about the environment. That is all a excuse for laws and regulations. And I think it is highly unlikely that we just happen to be at a point in time where the crisis is really bad, but we can change it by giving away all our money. It makes us feel special, doesn't it. Well, wanting to feel special got us one generation of end-of-the-world predictions after the other.

Your attempts at derailing the debate away from its original course is admiral in its endevour but i have instant recall...Remember, remember the claim you made.Settle that debate and we might continue on your paper chase.

No, sir. This debate is about global warming. It was from the first post. I am not derailing anything. And I have no idea what claim is, you are referring to. If it is that 'scientists are lying' thing, every time I explain it, you respond that I derail the debate.

Your refusal to even accept global warming exists can not be changed by any debate we may have.If , i hope you have read all the evidence,by the evidence you cant believe the truth of it then my simple attempts will be fruitless.Even the most ardent deniers have concluded that the earth and sea temperatures have and are rising beyond any historic records.

Not even Al Gores scientists are denying that the earth has been cooling for the last years and that it has been warming faster before humans could have anything to do with it. That is just conveniently left out. You find me a source that denies that.

I cant be bothered any more, just believe what you will, its a pointless discussion you are oblivious to the truth.I cant even find another denier who believes what you believe let alone Al Gores followers.Good night from me..xris

Studies show the brain is wired to get a quick high from reading things that agree with our point of view. The same studies proved that, strangely, we also get a rush from intentionally dismissing information that disagrees, no matter how well supported it is. Yes, our brain rewards us for being closed-minded dicks.

So with a little prodding, the followers will happily close themselves in the same echo chamber of talk radio, blogs and cable news outlets that give them that little "They agree with ME!" high.

Our planet's climate is anything but simple. All kinds of factors influence it, from massive events on the Sun to the growth of microscopic creatures in the oceans, and there are subtle interactions between many of these factors.

Yet despite all the complexities, a firm and ever-growing body of evidence points to a clear picture: the world is warming, this warming is due to human activity increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and if emissions continue unabated the warming will too, with increasingly serious consequences.

Yes, there are still big uncertainties in some predictions, but these swing both ways. For example, the response of clouds could slow the warming or speed it up.

With so much at stake, it is right that climate science is subjected to the most intense scrutiny. What does not help is for the real issues to be muddied by discredited arguments or wild theories.

So for those who are not sure what to believe, here is our round-up of the most common climate myths and misconceptions.

Don't play the press , you are making an enormous claim here one that you cant retract.The whole of the scientific world lies about its findings so it can receive grants .I must admit its a bit of shock to realise that our scientists are fraudulent , what should i think when i read the next new scientist..The whole world is being misled by our scientific community...oh oh oh ..

I see a pattern emerging.Scientists are the boggy men and the facts that they gather by honest investigation.The facts that destroy a faith driven belief system.Its the world of, go out and multiply, dont let them stop you.When they deny your scriptures, attack their persons, attack their findings.
I wondered why you where so single minded in your debate, your a fundamentalist with intentions not attentions.I think Nero is good handle, you would fiddle , you would ignore the facts for your faith.