Global warming opponents are not driven by big oil, if you think that, there are just as many corporations who would benefit from the legislation than there are those who wish to stop it. And the government is highly interested in the cap and trade revenue. And a question I have recently been asking myself is what do the politicians care about saving the world.

Are they not self-serving, short-term opportunists? So why do they care about saving the climate. And shouldn't they know their impact can't make a difference.

And should it really be the governments task to protect us from controversial and debated hypothetical problems by taxing us and limiting our freedoms?

If you think your a eunuch you are one. We can do something large or small, depending on your motivation. I simple drive a small car , have low energy light bulbs etc. I dont think its insignificant, if I can reduce my footprint by any small measure and everyone has that mindset, it will make a difference. Americans are the main contributors to the problem and its your attitude that fuels that problem."

There are big problems but if the individual does not make his voice heard governments will never change their attitude.

Im sorry that opinions like yours exist,you see the few motivated sceptics as a reason to not believe that the consensus of scientific knowledge is telling us its definitely rising. You are in a very small minority even most of those you speak of have admitted its rising but dont blame human activity. The north west passage is open and the icebergs are dissolving faster than any time in recorded history. How you can deny the obvious truth, its beyond my comprehension. I dont think any evidence would convince you , you have made a conscious decision that its all propaganda.

Americans are the main contributors to the problem and its your attitude that fuels that problem.

Per head of population Americans are three times worse than china.

While I believe global warming is being caused by overpopulation and that it began in earnest with the industrial revolution, I have to applaud this observation. The last few presidents of the States were ample proof of the power that big money and big corporate connections have to put even an Idiot in the Whitehouse. How else did Clinton and Bush get in? It certainly wasn't because they exhibited an unusually high degree of intellect.


They're too stupid to know they can't make a difference. No one can.

I think what you mean to say is that it should be the governments task to protect us against unfair taxation and any limitation of our freedoms. And I agree, it should be. But this is a hopeless Ideal, and it isn't how any government works that I know of. Governments exist to feed themselves and all the petty beurocrats put into government offices ... they're collectively like a bunch of vampires, and they subsist by sucking the blood out of the masses, until there is no blood left to suck on. So naturally, they use global warming as a means to level more laws, more regulations, more taxes, more penalties, and use all the endless scientific studies and fear mongering to control the masses ... so they can force them into a corner from which there is no escape ... and to what end? So they can suck more blood out of them.

Gobal warming I think however, is a reality; whatever its cause, natural or man made ... maybe it's both ... but there is nothing I can do about it, and to think one can do anything is (to take a line out of a private eye novel that I'm working on) like trying to stop an avalanche by pissing in the snow.

I've been replacing all the old light bulbs throughout with energy efficient light bulbs; and I drive a Toyota Corolla. The Ford Windstar (a gas guzzler) is parked with no insurance;

I concur with the scientific concensus. David Suzuki, a biology professor at UBC, has said he can't understand why there are opponents to the news that human activity is largely responsible for global warming ... the evidence is out there and it has been studied by top scientists who know what they are doing.

I sometimes believe your on another planet to me..Where in the hell do you get your information from and what has socialists principles got to do with it? You make these vague claims and ignore my questions about the arctic..

Do you think you have enough information to relieve me of this worry? if so lets hear it.

You know darned well that heating can draw colder air into certain regions, its part of the global weather pattern. It also produces droughts and excessive rainfall, ask the weather men.

And from what I can tell over 30 years of watching the weather newscasts, the reports of disastrous weather conditions (flooding, freezing, droughts, tornadoes, hurricanes) are getting worse, not better. So from even my personal experience I have to say, things are indeed worsening as far as the weather is concerned.

It's getting warmer "ha!", it's getting colder "ha!", there are hurricanes "ha!". Hurricanes now prove there's global warming. And that despite it being quite a boring hurricane season compared to a few years ago. But hey, isn't it the lack of hurricanes extreme weather? I can't take it any more, no hurricanes, the government has to do something about it. And when a potent hurricane season starts, it's proof of extreme weather again. Yet no believer in global warming wants to do any real sacrifice in their own lives. That to me is the best singn that they don't really believe it themselves.

This topic as we can see can cause some endless back and forth with no progress forseeable on either front. Hitler would have had an easier time invading Leningrad and defeating Stalin than we pro-global-warming-alarmists would have overturning your position. So I'm going back home to retire in peace, with my tanks, before they're destroyed.

I guess you could say if we were playing football, I'm the rotten little kid who would pick up the ball and say: "It's my ball and I'm not going to let you play with it anymore."

And yet it's you who brings up the first nazi comparison. :sarcastic:

Just bring something up that you want to debate.

Well, you're the one with a theory who has the burden of proof, so let's hear it.

You ignore everything i give you as proof, or make a joke of it. The arctic......

You must have misunderstood me. It was a news story a while ago. Glaciers are actually building up ice, they are freezing. You must be aware that none of the climate change people even try to claim that the earth is getting warmer any more. That's why they call it climate change now. Which would also be bad. But let's start at the beginning. Do you agree that - man made or not - the earth is getting colder, not warmer for the last decades?