Animals, like all living things, are a part of the common conscious experience. Human influence of the conscious experience always results in environmental changes that focus life's energy toward the human experience in the name of progress. The ponzi system we use to capitalize on life is, hopefully, only a stage in our evolvment that we will be forced to grow out of by realizing that short term self advancement profits from the whole, at the expense of the whole.
Cows are a part of the whole, our regard for them should be as the goose who lays the golden egg, just like every other living thing. Not in reverence, but in recognition of the energy that supports human consciousness, and our dependence on it for the potential of continuation.

I mean, of course, if there is anyone in here that thinks that thinking is the way to discover how to redirect society to improve it.

Or if you think that philosophy's goal is just to understand what happens, not to modify it.

As of now, it's not really possible, too many naive people who can get manipulated, too many ambicious and greedy ppl.

But if we can get superhumans by genemanipulation who are supersavants without naivity, then we can overcome our differences, and work for common goals.

bsfree, after a life time of study of the great sages, they are all saying the same thing, 'I and the Father are ONE, the universe is within man himself, so to change the world man must first change himself, this is the answer to the problems out there. Richard

dear manored,

Your bias is inline with the common responses to my mention of "Cow-Protection" ---so I am not put off.

We humans have our free will 'initiative' but, there is also, God's 'initiative' ---this dual or, supplemental, ethos is the true purpose for so-called 'scientific/techinological' advancement, to have more liesure time for the 'spiritual-life' ---have we not learnt of the epic efforts required to engage in warfare? Which are the fruits of our 'peace-time' endeavors?

The irony that every 'so-called modern luxuary' only increased the "Costs-of-Living"?

The News Headlines announce the latest Civic Development . . . followed by the Next Raise in Taxes ---that must be paid by you and 'unto the multiple unseen yet unborn following generation(s) . . . and now a word from our sponsers . . . '

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"Hubris" par-excellence, is expressed at it's apex in the way Humans consume the flesh of cows.

"False-witness" is one of the sins to avoid.

Marketing campaigns toward kids is "brainwashing" by hardworking tax payers.

Rain forest derived drugs, Beer, seafood, Hi-Carb sugary junk foods, cereal-fillers, Polysorbate 80 & her cousins Red #5 et al, curry-spicing, nutrient-bereft foodstuffs, Partially-Hydrogenated Oleos, Carbon-dioxide, Bonefide Oxygen, Water/Wine/Apple cider, aspirin, Chinese Apothecaries, etc -all have specific & famous effects upon the ingesters. No?

I dont think we need super-humans, just getting rid of the megalomania would do =)

Manored wrote to Bhaktajan:
I though we were talking about the relationship between eating cows and wars =)

Bhaktajan replies: Manored, I do not know what YOU are talking about; but if you follow along with me, we'll be on the same page. BTW, Class has already moved on to the next chapter. Please catch up or just stay in the yard and bogart that blunt.

Yeah but, Yeah but, Yeah but!

Please provide a more serious answer, you know very well we just can't get rid of such people, it would be the inqusiton all over again, chasing shadows. :poke-eye:

Richard, I agree absolutely that the universe is within man himself, and that the reality each inhabitant experiences is the result of their individual actions within it. The power of one can effect change, but unless that change is subscribed to by others it will not translate into a shared reality. In truth, we are one, but global interests in commerce encourage a merchant mentality to prevail and profits become paramount to survival. I'm not saying that we should not buy and sell things, I am saying that a culture based solely upon the buying and selling of assets/resources is acting in a malignant manner, and can only result in the depletion of the vitality of life, not its enhancement.
Without land of his own to sustain him man is forced to join the ranks of commerce, and whether he be an executive or a laborer he is bound to conform in order to survive. While this mode of "living" may suffice to put a roof over his head it does not give much rise to his purpose for being here, or his incentive to contemplate it, except for when things do not go so well.
We moved voluntarily from the land to the cities, thinking it an easier, more glittering way to survive. We traded our ability to feed ourselves from our own gardens for the chance we could pick from the smorgasbord of everything life can offer. For about 97% of humanity that smorgasbord takes the form of a trough.
How can this be when all the political, business and religious rhetoric shouts for equality, abundance and security?
I must pay money for my survival, for the very water I drink. Yet I was born of this Earth, is it not my birthright to eat and drink directly from its font, without hindrance? Apparently not, as my/our birthright ensures only that payment must be made before admittance to life as we know it can occur.
While the systems that distribute food, water and shelter obviously work, they do so at a price "common man" can ill afford. Philosophy and economics are aligned when they speak of harmonious existence based upon the assets at our disposal, but the assets are not within personal control without the land that all assets materialize from.
So I survive within the framework of society like everyone else, dependant on society for every morsel I consume and aware that my life would have no relevance should the food chain break down.
Dramatic? Sure, but true.

Richard, I agree absolutely that the universe is within man himself, and that the reality each inhabitant experiences is the result of their individual actions within it. The power of one can effect change, but unless that change is subscribed to by others it will not translate into a shared reality. In truth, we are one, but global interests in commerce encourage a merchant mentality to prevail and profits become paramount to survival. I'm not saying that we should not buy and sell things, I am saying that a culture based solely upon the buying and selling of assets/resources is acting in a malignant manner, and can only result in the depletion of the vitality of life, not its enhancement.
Without land of his own to sustain him man is forced to join the ranks of commerce, and whether he be an executive or a laborer he is bound to conform in order to survive. While this mode of "living" may suffice to put a roof over his head it does not give much rise to his purpose for being here, or his incentive to contemplate it, except for when things do not go so well.
We moved voluntarily from the land to the cities, thinking it an easier, more glittering way to survive. We traded our ability to feed ourselves from our own gardens for the chance we could pick from the smorgasbord of everything life can offer. For about 97% of humanity that smorgasbord takes the form of a trough.
How can this be when all the political, business and religious rhetoric shouts for equality, abundance and security?
I must pay money for my survival, for the very water I drink. Yet I was born of this Earth, is it not my birthright to eat and drink directly from its font, without hindrance? Apparently not, as my/our birthright ensures only that payment must be made before admittance to life as we know it can occur.
While the systems that distribute food, water and shelter obviously work, they do so at a price "common man" can ill afford. Philosophy and economics are aligned when they speak of harmonious existence based upon the assets at our disposal, but the assets are not within personal control without the land that all assets materialize from.
So I survive within the framework of society like everyone else, dependant on society for every morsel I consume and aware that my life would have no relevance should the food chain break down.
Dramatic? Sure, but true.

the truth of our purpose, we are the evolving living consciousness of Earth, supported by life, just as our individual consciousness is supported by our physical body. The human body has no other purpose than to allow consciousness expression of its potential.