What does "recognize a roll in that" mean? Like, a sushi roll?

...One thing is the meaning of Evolution another is to recognize a roll in that, or do you defend that there are functions with no purpose ? Not so brilliant if you are naive enough to think so...:whistling:

In your case Sushi would definitely bring some sort of indigestion...

Functions without purpose I maintain is a distinct possibility and a fascinating topic. However, Zetherin does not, it seems, accept reason to the degree that he can construct a philosophical conclusion based upon his premises and beliefs. This is akin to Christian Fundamentalism in that no rational arguments are needed to support the assertions.

...Let me guess the brilliance of what your saying...Evolution is about random mutations, with well, random purposes...random is the way...:detective::cool:

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I mean that Evolution as a purpose in History...a FUNCTION !!!

I know, it's hilarious. Believing something is what it is, that's insane. We should always consider that something is more than it is, you're right. Let us twist definitions to suit our liking, and then everything will mean as we wish! No one could ever tell us we're wrong either, because we can just say, "Why can't X word mean more than it's conventional usage?!".

Brilliant stuff here.

Did you understand the distinction between reason and cause I spoke of earlier? I sometimes don't think you are reading my posts. If you did, you would know what I meant by reason.

Also, what do you want me to construct an argument for? Or, what am I failing to construct an argument for?

I am saying evolution has nothing to do with purpose. It does not seek to explain purpose. Science never has, and never will, seek to explain these sorts of reasons you demand.

But I have already said that you can simultaneously believe in evolution, while believing in something mystical which answers this purpose.

What more do you ask for?

Is evolution a pure accident; was it a random chance event?

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. `They've a temper, some of them -- particularly verbs: they're the proudest -- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs -- however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'
`Would you tell me please,' said Alice, `what that means?'
`Now you talk like a reasonable child,' said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. `I meant by "impenetrability" that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life.'
`That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
`When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, `I always pay it extra.'



Alice in Wonderland Lewis Carrol



I hope he pays the word "evolution" extra. That, at least, would be fair.

Is evolution a pure accident; was it a random chance event?

No, it's not pure accident. There are many things which cause an organism to evolve - it doesn't happen randomly in many cases. For instance, through natural selection, organisms acquire traits which make it more likely for their species to survive and reproduce.

No, it's not pure accident. There are many things which cause an organism to evolve - it doesn't happen randomly in many cases. For instance, through natural selection, organisms acquire traits which make it more likely for their species to survive and reproduce. So, this would fulfill my understanding of reason (perhaps not yours). But there's always a cause, even when it is considered random.

...But then the base mutations are random and Evolution has no purpose...so you say with a sort of bible in your hands...
God praise he saw the light...Alleluia !

What do you mean evolution has no purpose? If I said evolution has a purpose, would the Bible be removed from my hands? Huh?

A few tips:

1.) Understand the difference between faith and justified belief.
2.) Understand that someone can both not believe in God, but also not believe that God does not exist. I'll say that again, because you may not have understood. A weak atheist does not believe in God, but a weak atheist does not claim that God does not exist.
3.) Some people don't feel as abandoned as you do by not believing in God. You seem almost hurt over the issue. It's ok, man, God does exist. Be happy.

No, it's not pure accident. There are many things which cause an organism to evolve - it doesn't happen randomly in many cases. For instance, through natural selection, organisms acquire traits which make it more likely for their species to survive and reproduce. So, this would fulfill my understanding of reason (perhaps not yours). But there's always a cause, even when it is considered random.

What does that mean? And why do you think I'm holding a Bible in my hands? So confusing.