Know Thyself?

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TickTockMan
 
Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 05:23 pm
@richrf,
GoshisDead;92791 wrote:
I figure it like this, the actual pursuit of enlightment is counterproductive, methodical pursuit of enlightenment is putting your own ego above that of the Universe/God/Whatever, and you therefore lack the required humility to be enlightened.


So I'm guessing is solipsism right out the window for you.
 
GoshisDead
 
Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 06:16 pm
@TickTockMan,
Its not that I don't find it possible, I just refuse to accept that I'm that boring.
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 09:39 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;92850 wrote:
Its not that I don't find it possible, I just refuse to accept that I'm that boring.


I have to reject the idea of solipsism because there is no way in hell that I will ever believe that my consciousness would ever have allowed plaid shorts and Old Navy stores to come into existence.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 09:43 am
@richrf,
richrf;92832 wrote:
From my point of view, I think that everyone seeks in their own way to learn things that they would like to learn. It is all OK with me, though what I have learned may be different from what others have learned or are learning. We are all in different places at different times. We can all learn from each other - in fact I think that is the reason we are all here.

Rich


If what you have "learned" is false, or is meaningless, you have learned nothing. You only believed you learned.
 
Khethil
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 09:48 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;93002 wrote:
If what you have "learned" is false, or is meaningless, you have learned nothing. You only believed you learned.


If I could chime in here. Kenn, you're absolutely correct; that being said....

... if we maintain this view about all things in our existence, faith in our senses and and ability to reach any conclusion loses all validity. I think the relational - that's just what you believe - sentiment is virtually beyond dispute. I also think it's a self-destructive way to view the world when taken to the extreme.

The best application of the truth Kenn's talking about - I think - is to temper our egos into softening hard-line views (especially). It's an aspect of that knowing yourself process that's meant to mitigate the self, not decimate all prospect of knowledge.

... at least that's how I view it - thanks.
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 09:50 am
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;92997 wrote:
I have to reject the idea of solipsism because there is no way in hell that I will ever believe that my consciousness would ever have allowed plaid shorts and Old Navy stores to come into existence.


But you participated and influences by shopping there.

Rich
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 09:57 am
@richrf,
richrf;93007 wrote:
But you participated and influences by shopping there.

Rich


This sentence does not make sense grammatically. Your tenses are mixed.
Be that as it may, I have never, not once, shopped at Old Navy.
I suspect, however, that you may be a wearer of plaid shorts.
But, as you often say, that's okay, because everyone is different.
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:02 am
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;93009 wrote:
This sentence does not make sense grammatically. Your tenses are mixed.
Be that as it may, I have never, not once, shopped at Old Navy.
I suspect, however, that you may be a wearer of plaid shorts.
But, as you often say, that's okay, because everyone is different.


Well, you are certainly helping them out by advertising their presence and what they are selling. Who knows, you may be directly involved in thousands of sales of plaid shorts simply be advertising their availability on this forum. From this point on, you are permanently entangled with the sales of plaid shorts at Old Navy. Congratulations!

Rich

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kennethamy;93002 wrote:
If what you have "learned" is false, or is meaningless, you have learned nothing. You only believed you learned.


Nothing I learn is true or false. It just IS, until I learn something different.

Rich
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:16 am
@richrf,
richrf;93010 wrote:
From this point on, you are permanently entangled with the sales of plaid shorts at Old Navy. Congratulations!


I suppose that would be preferable to being physically entangled in plaid shorts themselves which would be a good deal more bodily awkward than the purely mental entanglement of which you speak.
 
NoOne phil
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:19 am
@richrf,
Well, I would assume that if one claims to know themselves, they would be willing to share that information. I mean, since man is man, if even one man knew what they were, and were gifted with the craft of language, they could then inform the world what they all were, and why, etc. This person could outline the principles of morality and justince, etc. etc.

So, gifted one, share with us, what are you? Become the benifactor that man has long sought.
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:20 am
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;93015 wrote:
I suppose that would be preferable to being physically entangled in plaid shorts themselves which would be a good deal more bodily awkward than the purely mental entanglement of which you speak.


I think it is much more than a mental entanglement. You may have set off a buying spree of plaid shorts that is without precedence. In some ways, being a mere wearer of plaid shorts may have been a less intrusive path to take. We shall see. This may be one of those great moments in history.

Rich
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:40 am
@richrf,
NoOne;93018 wrote:


So, gifted one, share with us, what are you? Become the benifactor that man has long sought.


Who are you addressing?

richrf;93019 wrote:
I think it is much more than a mental entanglement. You may have set off a buying spree of plaid shorts that is without precedence. In some ways, being a mere wearer of plaid shorts may have been a less intrusive path to take. We shall see. This may be one of those great moments in history.

Rich


Excellent! How many pairs may I put you down for, sir? And may I recommend our new "Chakra-Hue Plaid" for the fashion-conscious New-Ager looking to make a bold statement about who they are?

Thanks for your patronage,
TickTockMan, CEO, Old Navy Fantasy Land Division
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 10:59 am
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;93037 wrote:
Excellent! How many pairs may I put you down for, sir? And may I recommend our new "Chakra-Hue Plaid" for the fashion-conscious New-Ager looking to make a bold statement about who they are?

Thanks for your patronage,
TickTockMan, CEO, Old Navy Fantasy Land Division


Too late. I already bought mine based upon your recommendation. I think you may have started a tsunami.

Rich
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 11:30 am
@richrf,
richrf;93045 wrote:
Too late. I already bought mine based upon your recommendation. I think you may have started a tsunami.

Rich


I'm sure you'll look stunning. May I recommend that you lose the black socks though?

Fashionably,
Tock
 
NoOne phil
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 12:14 pm
@TickTockMan,
I am on a stand-up puter at work, was on the wrong page again, but as far as the topic,
<Know Thyself has been attributed to many Greek Philosophers.

Heraclitus is said to have written: I have inquired of myself.

Jung says that individuation, the act of knowing yourself, begins in the second half of your life, and it starts by accepting your Shadow.

Is knowing yourself worthwhile? Why or why not? Do you try to know yourself? How do you inquire? What have you learned? Has it changed as you grew older?>

Plato had fun with this because since a thing is not different from itself, it cannot possibly know itself. We can know what our job is as self, and learn how to do that job, but alas, by the principles of predication, one can never know one's self. The eye does not see itself, the ear does not hear itself, the vestibular system does not aquire the forms of gravity by the vestibular system nor do we procreate by self-cloning. Such elimentary non-sense however can be mitigated by a nice pair of plaid kilts. j.c.
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 02:16 pm
@richrf,
richrf;93010 wrote:

Nothing I learn is true or false. It just IS, until I learn something different.
Rich


Incidentally, questions of style and fashion aside, I've been pondering your words here. What do they mean?
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 02:53 pm
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;93077 wrote:
Incidentally, questions of style and fashion aside, I've been pondering your words here. What do they mean?


Basically what I am thinking is what I am thinking and I cannot see it as true or false. How can I judge what I am thinking is true or false? But when I learn something new that affects my thinking then I change. It is now something different. Not truer nor falser than what I was previouse thinking, but different.

Others, however, may judge what I am thinking as true or false in comparison to what they are thinking.

Rich
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 03:13 pm
@richrf,
richrf;93085 wrote:
Basically what I am thinking is what I am thinking and I cannot see it as true or false. How can I judge what I am thinking is true or false? But when I learn something new that affects my thinking then I change. It is now something different. Not truer nor falser than what I was previouse thinking, but different.

Others, however, may judge what I am thinking as true or false in comparison to what they are thinking.

Rich


How do you base your decisions, lacking distinction between true and false?
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 03:47 pm
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;93096 wrote:
How do you base your decisions, lacking distinction between true and false?


I gather information, weigh the different points of view (inevitably there are tons of points of view), and when I have to make a decision - POP! a decision is made. Call it gut feel if you wish.

Rich
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 04:00 pm
@richrf,
richrf;93112 wrote:
I gather information, weigh the different points of view (inevitably there are tons of points of view), and when I have to make a decision - POP! a decision is made. Call it gut feel if you wish.

Rich


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