G: An ultimate truth must be arrived at one of two ways; everyway/anyway or one way.
S9: Let me suggest, if I might, that Ultimate Truth may not be arrived at, at all, as in moved into. :-}
It may be discovered as Being, Here, and Now all along, and we in our very efforts to find Ultimate Truth may have been constantly traveling away from it. I don’t believe what I just said is merely semantics. In fact, this may be why some very wise fellows over the centuries have cautioned us to simply, “STOP.” In other words, they caution us to step off the path, and rather discover that you have been home all along.
G: The infinite forks of everyway eventually lead to the one way.
S9: But is this way a motion or journey when seen correctly?
G: If it is a process of becoming then it would seem that all queries eventually lead to the Capital T.
S9: That makes me think of the discovery that the world is round and therefore you can start anywhere in order to get anywhere else, even if that destination is directly behind you. But why indulge in these many journeys if you were to know you simply had to step back into it? Or as it is often said, “Take your seat.”
Of course the mind sees everything as a process, which is what becoming means. But we are not becoming Spirit or Ultimate Truth. We are already “That.” As in “You are That.”
G: Given that a person is a product of their social environment it would be pointless for them to ask a question regarding capital T that they were not able to comprehend.
S9: However you can ‘Know’ something with a capital K that is not necessarily the same kind of knowing that the mind has. The mind can only ‘know of’ the Spirit. But you on the other hand can Know Spirit by Being Spirit. Some might say it this way, “Knowing the I Am is Being the I Am and visa versa.
G: This would make all question ones regarding lower case t. Besides if all questions lead to Captial T there is no functional distinction between capital T and lower case t.
S9: Capital T Truth isn’t a function. Mind functions, or knows things through accumulation. Spirit Knows but never cuts things up and puts them back together like a jigsaw puzzle. Spirit is a state of Being.
G: The process of becoming then becomes ask question X and it 'becomes' through whatever method the Ultimate question and the ultimate capital T, as you 'become' capable of comprehending/being capital T.
S9: I get the distinct feeling that you are speaking on two levels at once, a sort of mix and match. Are you saying that we can only continue to ask small t questions until Capital T Truth makes itself known, and that it makes little difference what question we ask? Is this in your understanding a Spiritual maturation of sorts with little connection if any to what we think?
G: The social trend that has become part of the bedrock of western cultural thought is that of self creation/actualization/ultimate non-causal free will. and this is not directly a product of existentialists, rather they are a product of it.
S9: Perhaps but, the existentialists seem to stop short of the mark in my way of seeing it. It is almost a mental materialism that they participate in, if you will. They seem to think that all there is, is what one can perceive outside of oneself. Or as it has been said they cannot make “the leap of faith.” In this I do not mean that they cannot believe what they have been told AKA religion, but rather they cannot believe what their own introspection is telling them.
G: Again as products of our cultural environment we have and act upon this framework even when we consciously know things like biological nature etc... So know thyself is contrary to the non-causal free will that we assume that we exercise, because it would as stated in many posts reveal our animal nature to ourselves. If we are not equipped to reconcile ourselves with our animal nature then a more appropriate creedo would be create thyself, as it will eventually lead to the capital T anyway.
S9: Daily within our animal nature, we act ‘as if’ we were a natural thing living within a natural world. But many mystics will tell you pointedly that this conception is just an illusion, which takes place only within the mind much like a dream. Who you actually are is transcendent of this story line. Perhaps this is why when G. Buddha was asked why He was different, he replied, “I am Awake.”