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HexHammer
 
Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 02:50 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;152431 wrote:
I am looking for inspiration not gratification.
You specificly asked, and I specificly answerd, nowhere did you ask for answer in private.
 
sometime sun
 
Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 06:58 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;152472 wrote:
You specificly asked, and I specificly answerd, nowhere did you ask for answer in private.

Yes i suppose i did ask for it.
Shame you skim to quickly over what else i ask from you.
I am not in the mind to demand,
You only look for philosophy when it suits you.
As to whether you find it or not i am now in doubt.
I think if you answered one of my other questions instead of your own i may have been inclined to not find insult to your open-aired diagnoses.
But i would still like to know what authority you have? what qualifies you?
You have given me little to trust.
But i am still asking for it.

Check the thread again, i surly did ask if this would be better put in PM.
Knowing where your agenda was leading but hoping you could surprise me.
Not trusting you to be an elitist
But we tried that PM once remember and it was you who stopped calling.
Or do you want me to do all the chasing?
Do you expect all patients to not question what can often feel like condemnations?
Do you think all 'patients' have no understanding about what makes them ill?
Do you not think patients will not seek out or are capapble to solve their own dilemas?
Doctors have a code of conduct,
if you expect to be taken seriously there are laws to be followed.

If you expect to be received you need to be reachable.

THis open forum is not a place for my (or anyones) medical history,
Do you want me to tell this forum i had whooping cough and nearly died of it when i was 12?
How about me telling everyone here you have athetes foot,
Although i did elude to something of that nature once,
Is this payback for that taken out of context JOKE?
(You can add paranoid to this list as well)
think about it before you react, control yourself
Would you like me to diagnose you infront of this crowd?
I could and you would not like it, would you?
I at least know you know there is something wrong,
with both of us.
Or are you the one in denial?
That is between friends and family,
Niether of which you have extended to me.
No, therapists and doctors dont need to be friends or family,
But this is where a therapist or doctors duty is to not gossip.
You can trust a good doctor or therapist more than your own blood.
I dont trust them until they have proven their abilities.
I closely work in the mental health profession,
I have been in many 'groups' leading and participating,
and even these 'meetings' have a secrecy and trust edict.
You think i have not heard what you had to spout,
You really have no concept of how aware i am,
worse you have absolutley no interest in finding me alert or awake.
Just because i am a dreamer does not mean my eyes are not open to all kinds of torments in my and your and our world.

As for not running from you and your 'cure' i ask for the identification and accreditation of all the doctors, nurses, social workers, psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists, big brothers, samaritans, priests, ministers i come across in my work to be better and to better the world.
Trust me when i say you dont have the fainterst clue about how to be trusted or run a session and why trust is worth and earned so much in this life and why it is never for gratis.
Trust is a skill like no other.
You must be a good trained listener to not just hear noise.
One unfortuanatley must know and recon the worlds pain in order to understand ones own.
I am a sensitive, i can only understand my own pain by understanding yours.
It is overwhelming to be alone.
Why cant you make yourself vulnerable?
Not that i would want you to,
but what is it of pain you cant trust yourself with?
What god are you praying to that means you must strike before you are bitten or kissed?
Are you god?
Would you be mine?
Are you an individual?
Are you not so tired of being so guarded you forget how to love?
Are you not tired of being so alone?
I know i am.
 
reasoning logic
 
Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:29 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;152543 wrote:
Yes i suppose i did ask for it.
Shame you skim to quickly over what else i ask from you.
I am not in the mind to demand,
You only look for philosophy when it suits you.
As to whether you find it or not i am now in doubt.
I think if you answered one of my other questions instead of your own i may have been inclined to not find insult to your open-aired diagnoses.
But i would still like to know what authority you have? what qualifies you?
You have given me little to trust.
But i am still asking for it.

Check the thread again, i surly did ask if this would be better put in PM.
Knowing where your agenda was leading but hoping you could surprise me.
Not trusting you to be an elitist
But we tried that PM once remember and it was you who stopped calling.
Or do you want me to do all the chasing?
Do you expect all patients to not question what can often feel like condemnations?
Do you think all 'patients' have no understanding about what makes them ill?
Do you not think patients will not seek out or are capapble to solve their own dilemas?
Doctors have a code of conduct,
if you expect to be taken seriously there are laws to be followed.

If you expect to be received you need to be reachable.

THis open forum is not a place for my (or anyones) medical history,
Do you want me to tell this forum i had whooping cough and nearly died of it when i was 12?
How about me telling everyone here you have athetes foot,
Although i did elude to something of that nature once,
Is this payback for that taken out of context JOKE?
(You can add paranoid to this list as well)
think about it before you react, control yourself
Would you like me to diagnose you infront of this crowd?
I could and you would not like it, would you?
I at least know you know there is something wrong,
with both of us.
Or are you the one in denial?
That is between friends and family,
Niether of which you have extended to me.
No, therapists and doctors dont need to be friends or family,
But this is where a therapist or doctors duty is to not gossip.
You can trust a good doctor or therapist more than your own blood.
I dont trust them until they have proven their abilities.
I closely work in the mental health profession,
I have been in many 'groups' leading and participating,
and even these 'meetings' have a secrecy and trust edict.
You think i have not heard what you had to spout,
You really have no concept of how aware i am,
worse you have absolutley no interest in finding me alert or awake.
Just because i am a dreamer does not mean my eyes are not open to all kinds of torments in my and your and our world.

As for not running from you and your 'cure' i ask for the identification and accreditation of all the doctors, nurses, social workers, psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists, big brothers, samaritans, priests, ministers i come across in my work to be better and to better the world.
Trust me when i say you dont have the fainterst clue about how to be trusted or run a session and why trust is worth and earned so much in this life and why it is never for gratis.
Trust is a skill like no other.
You must be a good trained listener to not just hear noise.
One unfortuanatley must know and recon the worlds pain in order to understand ones own.
I am a sensitive, i can only understand my own pain by understanding yours.
It is overwhelming to be alone.
Why cant you make yourself vulnerable?
Not that i would want you to,
but what is it of pain you cant trust yourself with?
What god are you praying to that means you must strike before you are bitten or kissed?
Are you god?
Would you be mine?
Are you an individual?
Are you not so tired of being so guarded you forget how to love?
Are you not tired of being so alone?
I know i am.


Very wise and thoughtful and not only of yourself:)
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:26 pm
@xris,
sometime sun

Stop running from youself, have guts to face youself.
 
sometime sun
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 10:51 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;152583 wrote:
sometime sun

Stop running from youself, have guts to face youself.

Affectionately you dont have a clue about who or what or where i have been, am and still yet to go.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:08 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;152825 wrote:
Affectionately you dont have a clue about who or what or where i have been, am and still yet to go.
Your selfpity is an endless ocean, which is irrelevant ..I will spare the both of us a great headache and put you on ignore till you have show sign of actually accepting your prelude for your cure.
 
bmcreider
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:10 am
@xris,
Well I suppose this thread turned into a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
sometime sun
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:16 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;152834 wrote:
Your selfpity is an endless ocean, which is irrelevant ..I will spare the both of us a great headache and put you on ignore till you have show sign of actually accepting your prelude for your cure.

It is pride not pity, ignore away, sad.

---------- Post added 04-16-2010 at 06:18 PM ----------

bmcreider;152835 wrote:
Well I suppose this thread turned into a self fulfilling prophecy.

Well put....... but i would say it is more self denail than anything.
 
bmcreider
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:20 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;152836 wrote:
It is pride not pity, ignore away, sad.

---------- Post added 04-16-2010 at 06:18 PM ----------


Well put....... but i would say it is more self denail than anything.


Not to invade more than I should in others business, but, you both seem to be accusing each other of the same crime. I saw no way in which that would end but endless reflection of projection. IMHO.
 
sometime sun
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:23 am
@bmcreider,
bmcreider;152839 wrote:
Not to invade more than I should in others business, but, you both seem to be accusing each other of the same crime. I saw no way in which that would end but endless reflection of projection. IMHO.

Yes i saw it coming but was hoping to be surprised.
But over all i though some good things came to my mind,
I actually thought it was a success.

Does any one know what happens when you ignore someone, do their posts not show up on screeen or something?
 
bmcreider
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:57 am
@xris,
I assumed others would answer and I wouldn't have to post my assumption that their name shows up, you know they posted, but the content is simply non-existent unless you click show post...
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:28 pm
@xris,
Yes, their posts are hidden, but you see that the post is there, and you can easily click to view it, if curiosity overcomes you.
(I am tempted to stop ignoring the few I do, and just get nasty when necessary...but would this actually be more self- indulgent than simply ignoring them? It's a tricky question...)
 
bmcreider
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:30 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;152870 wrote:
Yes, their posts are hidden, but you see that the post is there, and you can easily click to view it, if curiosity overcomes you.
(I am tempted to stop ignoring the few I do, and just get nasty when necessary...but would this actually be more self- indulgent than simply ignoring them? It's a tricky question...)


If the person you were replying to perceived it as more than your own self indulgence, then it's worth replying, isn't it?
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:40 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;152842 wrote:
Yes i saw it coming but was hoping to be surprised.
But over all i though some good things came to my mind,
I actually thought it was a success.

Does any one know what happens when you ignore someone, do their posts not show up on screeen or something?


HexHammer might read my post with your quote...:brickwall:

Give it a break, both, please ...:surrender:
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:48 pm
@bmcreider,
bmcreider;152871 wrote:
If the person you were replying to perceived it as more than your own self indulgence, then it's worth replying, isn't it?


Well, I am talking about removing them from my ignore list, which opens me to their insults, etc., which would inspire me to join in the same game. And I'm ambivalent about the insult game. I'm not a saint, and I have enjoyed that sort of thing...but also I have regretted it, as an inferior way to spend time.
I guess I think that anger brings out the little monster in all of us, and I'm trying to keep that little bastard down.Smile
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:56 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;152883 wrote:
Well, I am talking about removing them from my ignore list, which opens me to their insults, etc., which would inspire me to join in the same game. And I'm ambivalent about the insult game. I'm not a saint, and I have enjoyed that sort of thing...but also I have regretted it, as an inferior way to spend time.
I guess I think that anger brings out the little monster in all of us, and I'm trying to keep that little bastard down.Smile


I think we should open an arena for these gladiators. A moderator could refer them there so threads stay nice and relaxed.:letme-at-em:
 
bmcreider
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:59 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;152883 wrote:
Well, I am talking about removing them from my ignore list, which opens me to their insults, etc., which would inspire me to join in the same game. And I'm ambivalent about the insult game. I'm not a saint, and I have enjoyed that sort of thing...but also I have regretted it, as an inferior way to spend time.
I guess I think that anger brings out the little monster in all of us, and I'm trying to keep that little bastard down.Smile


You are correct, me thinks.
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 01:09 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;152888 wrote:
I think we should open an arena for these gladiators. A moderator could refer them there so threads stay nice and relaxed.:letme-at-em:


Ah yes...we could have a space for aggression just as we have for evangelism? Ah, but who would go there? One might have to face one's motives....
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 03:45 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;152899 wrote:
Ah yes...we could have a space for aggression just as we have for evangelism? Ah, but who would go there? One might have to face one's motives....


is it not something a moderator could do if thing get out of hand, spoiling a thread ? Less rigorous than banning...
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 04:37 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;152957 wrote:
is it not something a moderator could do if thing get out of hand, spoiling a thread ? Less rigorous than banning...
No, verbal bause might get personal and do irreveseable damage, bad idea.
 
 

 
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