Well, logically, from what we can see through our own genetic manipulation of things, we usually have a purpose. For example, we have vegetative genetic manipulation to control and utilize different fruits and vegetables - we can improve upon the natural nutrition content. We also work with genetic manipulation of rats (and arguably apes) for scientific research. So if another, more intelligent species, were genetically manipulating us, is it not fair to say that perhaps there is a reason? That we may be an experiment of sorts? I don't know the reason, I was hoping you did.

OK, so here is my conclusion, my thoughts on why they are doing this whole thing, what their goals are, and what will happen at the end of this time limit.

They found Earth full of life when they developed the technology to explore the depths of the universe. As I said, they gave the ape a slighly modified body and brain, they probably chose the ape because it was most similar to themselves, and they could see the potential, so they modified the ape, and now it was self-aware, it was a species totally different from the original ape, it was the human. So the human began to civilize, colonize, develop communities, technology and the such. Now, the Aliens had a goal in mind from the moment the created the "human". Not only would they find it interesting and informative, to study us, but they wanted us to achieve greatness in a given time, greatness in the form of understanding, truth, and real cosmic truth comes in the forms of philosophical, metaphysical and spiritual understanding, we must rid ourselves of the materialistic and conditioned views we hold, we must become aware of our higher selves, our souls, our spirituality, we must also rid our selves of war, crime, anger, violence, arrogance and greed, we must step up a level and come together as a species, we must become something they feel safe they can release into the universe, we must become a species they can respect and admire, we must become a species they can be proud of. Now, they figure if we can't do it in a certain time, which we are not, they are going to need to intervene, they will let the catastrophic events of 2012 happen, but they will only save those who they feel deserve to be saved, it will be like a cleansing process, they will rid our species of the undesirable part of the population which, will be most of it, they will let those who are saved in on a few important facts, and after the events which only start on 2012, and slowly build up from there, have passed, they will place the saved back on Earth. It will be like a kick in the behind, they will enable us to gain a huge evolutionary advancement, and so they continue studying and waiting, until will can be released into the wild, free from our zoo, and zoo keepers.

These debates should be discussing the core issues and not the fringe opinions that make serious claims without any evidence . I would rather we asked the question do we actually see these unexplained occurrences as delusional or explainable in a more scientific manner.It was brought to my attention these sightings sometimes occurring just before earthquake activity. Does this tell us the strains felt by the earth manifest itself in some highly charged electrical phenomena created by this strain.To just try and say they are not such and such ignores the facts, we are not asking in a more objective manner.Both sides become entrenched in a tit for tat dialogue.They may well be aliens or a natural activity but till we both keep an open mind it will not be resolved.The simple fact is we see things we cant explain, they are not model planes or Venus in decent nor are they for certain little green men trying to change our gene pool.

Give me your best bit of evidence with the most credible witness ? please..Its not that dont i believe you but i have never found one that could stand up in court.I find certain claims are lumped together and we end up with nothing at all.I find it a total enigma, on one side i find close friends who have seen strange things like inquisitive floating lights in local quarries and we have no idea what they are and on the other outrageous claims that people have travelled to Venus with their captives..Is it philosophy? it could be if it was a human experience that requires analogy.

Your right, it could be any number of natural phenomena we have yet to explain, but because all the scientists in the world have yet to explain it, I don't think we will figure it out, and it wouldn't be philosophy anyway, it would be science, hence one of the reasons my other thread debating Alien existence was closed. Now who says they are green? It's usually pale white/grey, but anyway, looking at all the other evidence, such as actual face to face contact with these entities claimed by a lot of people, and the hundreds of extremely intelligent, highly credible, highly stable, high ranking, highly respectable, and high status people from America alone, who claim Aliens exist, and the Government has known for a long time, just give a lot more validity to the UFO theory, and not some natural phenomena that every scientist on the planet is unable to explain.

These debates should be discussing the core issues and not the fringe opinions that make serious claims without any evidence .I would rather we asked the question do we actually see these unexplained occurrences as delusional or explainable in a more scientific manner.It was brought to my attention these sightings sometimes occurring just before earthquake activity. Does this tell us the strains felt by the earth manifest itself in some highly charged electrical phenomena created by this strain.To just try and say they are not such and such ignores the facts, we are not asking in a more objective manner.Both sides become entrenched in a tit for tat dialogue.They may well be aliens or a natural activity but till we both keep an open mind it will not be resolved.The simple fact is we see things we cant explain, they are not model planes or Venus in decent nor are they for certain little green men trying to change our gene pool.

Lets hope so zeth ...I am bothered by the videos just linked. I dont know whether to believe them all, some of them or none of them. Why is it i cant find a reasonable response in the media or in the scientific world without finding entrenched views. I cant investigate major Jones who is supposed to have worked for the CIA and claims to have seen aliens.I am at the mercy of the web how do we extract fact from fiction..If a small portion of them are true its mind boggling, if they are lies why is there not more said about their claims.

Lets hope so zeth ...I am bothered by the videos just linked. I dont know whether to believe them all, some of them or none of them. Why is it i cant find a reasonable response in the media or in the scientific world without finding entrenched views. I cant investigate major Jones who is supposed to have worked for the CIA and claims to have seen aliens.I am at the mercy of the web how do we extract fact from fiction..If a small portion of them are true its mind boggling, if they are lies why is there not more said about their claims.

Figure it out...

When we can hypothetically eliminate the highly unlikely, then we are in a better position to evaluate life more objectively. What are you afraid of?

Does that video appear to be made of people who want some sort of credit for their fabrications?

Just keep asking questions. Don't give up. If videos like this were hoaxed to justify some military advantage, then try to define what that advantage would be. We're all ears.

Lets hope so zeth ...I am bothered by the videos just linked. I dont know whether to believe them all, some of them or none of them. Why is it i cant find a reasonable response in the media or in the scientific world without finding entrenched views. I cant investigate major Jones who is supposed to have worked for the CIA and claims to have seen aliens.I am at the mercy of the web how do we extract fact from fiction..If a small portion of them are true its mind boggling, if they are lies why is there not more said about their claims.

I know that there are ancient stories of encounters with mythical beings, such as elves, that bear MUCH resemblance to accounts of encounters with aliens.
Of course it's obvious that aliens may well have visited our ancients aswell, and that they could not comprehend the possibility of aliens, and therefore called them more naive terms, like elves.

I wonder if many people consider the possibility that they ARE elves, and it is our modern mind that is too stubborn to accept the possibility, and so calls them aliens.

Or what if they are something else entirely?

Joe this Richard Hoagland is a wind bag ,what he claims about the face on mars is hog wash. This where i become annoyed that every dam thing that is claimed about NASA the governments , free power and all the other razzmatazz detracts from the real honest stories. I think those who push these extreme views are the real conspirators they are the ones who are stopping the real truth from being explored.

Im trying to be honest here and formulate my opinions in that tone. I dont need to be told to drag my head out from my rear thank you.I see a video and peoples names displayed on a screen in front of me making at times really weird claims about the US government making flying saucers that can travel as fast as light. Now dont you think i should be sceptical ?

A pilot seeing strange lights, yes OK it maybe a ufo..An air force general saying ive seen alien bodies , who is this guy can you collaborate he is who says he is and who else was there when he saw them?If you need to convince the sceptics you have to be certain that you can prove these accounts. I believe a lot of this evidence has been removed from the original dvd as it was proven to be lie so should i be sceptical? I have in the past taken what i read as gospel but later on i have been amazed that it was all lies, so i now need to be sure before i say gee thats amazing.