The aims of Aliens - Only for believers

@Theaetetus,

And I keep telling you, wait, I will be home tommorow...not long now...and yes, you could be right, but would every location on Earth, where humans were, be lacking in the correct conditions?

@GHOST phil,

It takes rather specific conditions for fossils to form. You realize to preserve thing in fossils it takes a little more than death. Fossilization is an exceptionally rare occurrence, because most components of formerly living things tend to decompose relatively quickly following death. In order for an organism to be fossilized, the remains normally need to be covered by sediment as soon as possible. Otherwise, it better be extremely cold or there better not be any oxygen present, or a fossil will never form due to rapid decomposition of the organism.

@GHOST phil,

GHOST wrote:

I'm pretty sure he was just making up an example....

Man, I must be losing my touch...

Ghost, just make believe I was serious with my example.

MY EVIDENCE -

1.Existance of Aliens: All the footage (inluding NASA footage) and wittnesses.
2.Genetic Manipulation: The lack of fossils filling in the links for the human species.
3.Their Studies: I'm just guessing, which is the best anyone can do here, but since they havn't invaded Earth and I cannot really see a reason they would, not that intelligent beings would condone such violence, I think they are merely studying us.
4.Underground Infastructure: Area 51 is a good example, it obviously goes undeground, plus there are numerous other secret, underground locations around the world. I think we can all acknowledge the fact that the Government does keep secrets, which just makes it all the more likely.

There, that's just about all the reasoning behind my theory....*criticism shields now engaged*

You want criticism? Okay.

YOU DON'T HAVE A COHERENT THEORY.

Instead, Ghost, you seem to be collecting ideas for the plot of an unwritten sci-fi novel. Your assumptions are all over the map. They are not related in a way that supports a single conclusion. Your first "theory" came down to the idea that we're about to have a war of the worlds, and your revised theory suggest that they have some watershed yet undivulged reason for studying us. Now, you're back to a completely uninspiring list of random data.

Get serious about this, Ghost. Don't try to pull everyone in. You know what you know. Right now, you should behave as if your government is committing treason against you. You should be enraged by this. You don't need to try every permutation of data, just to convince everyone. Common sense tells you all you need to know.

Here's some advice:

Don't rely on the "theory" of evolution. It's not required, and it makes things messier. (The likelyhood that some other race would evolve to look almost identical to us, in some other part of space, may be too much for the ignorant to accept.)

Don't use the assumption that they are studying us...that's very lame. Would one build a robot to study it? No, one would build a robot to carry his fat ass to the 7-Eleven.

Do form a conclusion and stick with it. This is where the rubber meets the road. We all know in our hearts and minds, subconsciously at least, that there are aliens out there. You are one step ahead, the minute you do anything more than convince yourself of the same. Some of the people on this forum may be skeptical, but they are probably a good source for offering hypotheticals based on fair assumptions. We shall see. Now, what do you need to know?

Do be open to other views. When we talk about why we're here and why aliens are here, there is probably one accurate explanation...one truth. You are not using enough to work with, to find that. (You lack direction). Maybe you can gain that here.

Hang in there...

@GHOST phil,

GHOST wrote:

1.Existance of Aliens: All the footage (inluding NASA footage) and wittnesses.

Ok, I'll make my opinion after. But whatever happened to the government keeping the "truth" of aliens kept from us? Why wouldn't they do something about this film?

GHOST wrote:

2.Genetic Manipulation: The lack of fossils filling in the links for the human species.

Darwinian's theory is incomplete. Though the gradual natural selection I believe does affect some of the evolution that goes on, evolution has been found to be quite sudden, thus the distinctness between certain fossils. And this is not just in humans. So unless the aliens engineered this whole planet, this proof doesn't hold.

GHOST wrote:

3.Their Studies: I'm just guessing, which is the best anyone can do here, but since they havn't invaded Earth and I cannot really see a reason they would, not that intelligent beings would condone such violence, I think they are merely studying us.

This is good.

GHOST wrote:

4.Underground Infastructure: Area 51 is a good example, it obviously goes undeground, plus there are numerous other secret, underground locations around the world. I think we can all acknowledge the fact that the Government does keep secrets, which just makes it all the more likely.

It wouldn't be fair for me to make an opinion on this because well... I know nothing about area 51. We can I suppose, only look at how the alien/area51 hoax got started.

GHOST wrote:

There, that's just about all the reasoning behind my theory....*criticism shields now engaged*

It's just not enough evidence.

@Pusyphus,

Holiday20310401 wrote:

Except that everybody can see the comet for a few days before it's hits the Earth or skims by. And we have real, footage of comets, and we can study them live; unlike UFO's which mysteriously last long enough for a photo.

Nope, not everyone can see a comet at the same time. Depends on where you live. We have footage of UFOs. We can study that too. If a subject wishes not to be detected, it is not proof that the subject doesn't exist.

Yes we do, thus the distinction between a theory and a hypothesis.

Semantics. There's no real difference between a theory and a set of hypotheses. Besides, we're not talking about a scientific endeavor, we're talking about crimes against humanity. This is a criminal investigation. Those who wish to solve mystery are not necessarily interested in the scientific method, nor are they bound by the rules of debate.

We're just looking for clues at the scene of the crime...:detective:

@Pusyphus,

Just for the sake of argument, fine, the semantics don't matter, but where you live to see a comet is irrelevant. Back in Seattle, I remember there was a comet up in the sky for about a month (lol, might've been less, being young days felt like weeks in memory), and it was as clear as the moon, everybody could see it. I don't think it was just the city either.

@Holiday20310401,

Holiday20310401 wrote:

Just for the sake of argument, fine, the semantics don't matter, but where you live to see a comet is irrelevant. Back in Seattle, I remember there was a comet up in the sky for about a month (lol, might've been less, being young days felt like weeks in memory), and it was as clear as the moon, everybody could see it. I don't think it was just the city either.

Yes i saw it , i was quite sad when it left.I also see a satelite at sundown certain time of the year that can take your breath away. I have also seen an amazing unexplained flying object..

@xris,

The point is for how long, and how many others saw it in the same moment you're able to see it.

@Holiday20310401,

Holiday20310401 wrote:

Just for the sake of argument, fine, the semantics don't matter, but where you live to see a comet is irrelevant. Back in Seattle, I remember there was a comet up in the sky for about a month (lol, might've been less, being young days felt like weeks in memory), and it was as clear as the moon, everybody could see it. I don't think it was just the city either.

What you saw was not a comet...a flaming weather balloon, maybe...a disintegrating space shuttle, yes. But, a comet? Definitely not.

If it was a comet, I would need a whole lot more evidence than what you are giving me...:Not-Impressed:

@Holiday20310401,

Holiday20310401 wrote:

The point is for how long, and how many others saw it in the same moment you're able to see it.

I did not enquire .Did you not understand what i said ? I made no unreasonable statement, i made no claims..I did not know what it was..

@Holiday20310401,

We have videos of just that - UNIDENTIFIED OBJECTS. That means nothing, and most certainly doesn't prove anything. An UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT does not necessarily equal alien, it's only in our extrapolation do we make that so.

Furthermore, even if everyone on the planet did see an UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT for an extended period of time, what is the significance? Memories distort, and before long we'd be right back to where we started.

@Zetherin,

Zetherin wrote:

We have videos of just that - UNIDENTIFIED OBJECTS. That means nothing, and most certainly doesn't prove anything. An UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT does not necessarily equal alien, it's only in our extrapolation do we make that so.

Furthermore, even if everyone on the planet did see an UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT for an extended period of time, what is the significance? Memories distort, and before long we'd be right back to where we started.

The significance is just that, we dont know. Its pretty damned hard to reason with i dont know..I cant help saying so many of these dont knows must add up to something..my dont know was hard enough, multiply that by a thousand and we have a problem ...

@GHOST phil,

Technically, a Frisbee flying through the sky is a UFO if the observer has no clue what they saw.

@xris,

Pusyphus wrote:

What you saw was not a comet...a flaming weather balloon, maybe...a disintegrating space shuttle, yes. But, a comet? Definitely not.

If it was a comet, I would need a whole lot more evidence than what you are giving me...:Not-Impressed:

Then is the word "comet" meaningless. While everybody is looking up at the sky at night, taking a glance at the comet, scientists can take a telescope to it, use a spectrometer to verify it's element contents, and video the whole thing. And everybody would have the same objective results of its form, not some subjective results from a bunch of claimers, all making colourful, pretty, little pictures of distorted, hugely varying spacecrafts. (referring to the youtube clip)

xris wrote:

I did not enquire .Did you not understand what i said ? I made no unreasonable statement, i made no claims..I did not know what it was..

Did I claim anything?:rolleyes:

@Theaetetus,

Theaetetus wrote:

Technically, a Frisbee flying through the sky is a UFO if the observer has no clue what they saw.

If you like reducing a debate to insignificant similarities , what or how can any one reply..I hope you dont look down your toilet and see mars bars..

@xris,

xris wrote:

The significance is just that, we dont know. Its pretty damned hard to reason with i dont know..I cant help saying so many of these dont knows must add up to something..my dont know was hard enough, multiply that by a thousand and we have a problem ...

Actually, we don't have a problem. As Theaetetus said, anything can be an unidentified flying object; it's relative to the observer. If we had a human here from 800A.D and he saw a 747 fly by, it'd be an unidentified flying object to him. He'd probably apply the same thought process - reaching for something supernatural, or, at the very least, exciting. The fact that we don't know is not significant. There are many things we don't know, and we don't attach this profound 'problem' to those things. We only attach this profound 'problem' to those things that seem to excite us, that drive us towards something that stirs our emotions.

@xris,

xris wrote:

If you like reducing a debate to insignificant similarities , what or how can any one reply..I hope you dont look down your toilet and see mars bars..

Huh? That IS the debate. He's not reducing it at all! Unidentified is relative completely! If someone built a unique-looking model plane, and flew it, it would be identified to him, but many others could question it!

@Zetherin,

Zetherin wrote:

Huh? That IS the debate. He's not reducing it at all! Unidentified is relative completely! If someone built a unique-looking model plane, and flew it, it would be identified to him, but many others could question it!

Dont you think that is stating the bleeding obvious..????

@xris,

Let's backtrack a bit here, buddy.

This is bleeding obvious to you:

Zetherin wrote:

If someone built a unique-looking model plane, and flew it, it would be identified to him, but many others could question it!

Yet, you say the significance is that we don't know:

Xris wrote:

The significance is just that, we dont know. Its pretty damned hard to reason with i dont know..I cant help saying so many of these dont knows must add up to something..my dont know was hard enough, multiply that by a thousand and we have a problem

Would you then say that if 10,000 people couldn't identify a model airplane I flew, it would be significant? If you answer yes, then I guess I see where you're coming from, and wholeheartedly disagree that it is significant. If you answer no, I have no idea where you're coming from at all.

@Zetherin,

So anyway... if we were indeed sharing a symbiotic relationship with this alien Lord, hypothetically speaking, would we have a right to know about it?

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