Fido,

I think time is a human construct to measure how we move through space. Stop all movement and time will stop.

Let things move as before , and stop measuring time it will not effect anything will it, everything will just go on moving.

Alan

As I understand what you're saying, the universe will cease to exist when you do. Or, perhaps a broader "we", but nevertheless the universe ends when the human condition does. This is, I think, a fallacious view. The clock does not cease to exist because I am not watching it. My work has not ceased to exist even though I'm taking a break. You are, to my understand, taking the approach of the most narrow form of idealism; this form of idealism was rejected by most philosophers over a century ago.

Also, I'd be very careful about basing any sort of theory around "living" or "consciousness". Life is a very difficult word to define, when you get right down to brass tacks. Proving that we're alive is it's own philosophical issue. After all, you're nothing but a complex series of chemical reactions, not much different than a firework or internal-combustion engine. An outside stimuli is applied, reactions take place, and an action emerges. There is no need for consciousness in either case.

But while you are not watching your clock, it could safetly cease to exist and return to existence then you looked back at it... its true that something being winhout meaning doesnt means that it doesnt exists, but it doesnt matters if it exists or not, because it has no meaning

I even think everthing exists, or at least we cannot prove otherwise... but its useless to bother with everthing instead of just the part that matters.

Fido and others,

Linear time only acts in the physical universe in higher dimentions time as we understand it has no meaning

Alan

Have you been to higher dimensions?

My bet is that noes, so you cant affirm that.

Fido and others,

Linear time only acts in the physical universe in higher dimentions time as we understand it has no meaning

Alan

How ever time is conceived it has no meaning beyond our own lives unless we share meaning out of our own lives.. Life is time... That is one good reason to hate the guts right out of bosses who waste your time for a hand full of nothing for money... It all I got, and you want to pay me minimum for it??? Shove it up your big fat...

So your point is? you are assuming we know...

But while you are not watching your clock, it could safetly cease to exist and return to existence then you looked back at it... its true that something being winhout meaning doesnt means that it doesnt exists, but it doesnt matters if it exists or not, because it has no meaning

I even think everthing exists, or at least we cannot prove otherwise... but its useless to bother with everthing instead of just the part that matters.

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Originally Posted by Alan McDougall
Fido and others,

Linear time only acts in the physical universe in higher dimensions time as we understand it has no meaning

Alan





Yes I have during a near death experience and the greater awareness I had after my return to life.

This is not silly nonsense, millions of credible honest people have had this experience.

It includes scientists, physicists, philosophers indeed from ever type of person you can think about.

As this is a forum about philosophy I will only post this type of subject if the moderator permits it

Alan

It could cease to exist and reappear. There is no logical paradox in that happening. Bertrand Russell dealt with this in chapter 2 of his book, 'Problems of Philosophy'. Russell's basic argument is that of Occam's Razor. While there are a variety of ways that we could treat the existence of objects that we cannot perceive, the simplest and most sensible way is to take the assumption that these objects exist even when we're not actively studying them. Of course, one could take an idealist stance and say that these objects are the product of your mind, in which case you'd be quite correct in saying that the clock ceases to exist when you aren't looking at it. Although, in this case, you'd have a tough time arguing that the clock ever existed at all, because your mind was not creating a "clock" but merely a pattern of sense-datum that corresponds with your idea of what a "clock" should entail. The sense-datum existed when you were looking at it, but if there is no actual "stuff" in the universe, just minds and ideas, then there was never a clock to begin with.

Since I think that most of us here are materialists, not idealists, and we can all appreciate that Occam's Razor generally holds true, our best bet is to treat my clock as an object with an existence outside of my own. Anything else leads to convoluted theories that would take too much time to work out and provide no more enlightenment than our current theory.

xris


My point is (that post was in a lighter mode) that limitless linear time is not the part of all existence.

If just applies in our physical universe and even here it is relative. Time moves slower on more massive objects and faster on less massive objects.

On Jupiter you would age a little slower that on our less massive earth.

On a neutron star time will almost stands still

In a black hole time stands still

This is not a theory but a fact of physics (Einsteins Theory of relativity) It has been proven in extremely accurate atomic time devices.

You actually age slower on the equator than you do on the poles, but of course minutely.

I have written a short essay on time as I perceive, but time is an extremely complex concept, not very well understood by even the greatest minds, of which I am not one

Alan

experiences but they mostly started those experiences with ideas different from mine, so I wont believe the conclusions until I have one myself with the same conclusion

Manored



Then what is the point of posting my experience I cant prove it, but that does not make it false.

Is your home language Portuguese, I am just interested?

Alan

You cant believe everthing, but fell free to try