Lock I think you are complicating things too much, and its a nearly useless complication because people either already know that or will not agree with that And for those who dont agree you will probally want to present something simpler.

Maybe. At first things can seem very complicated but as we explore any one thing, we are constantly learning from it, and we internalize it in our minds and it becomes us and is no longer complicated and we are no longer unaware. We become aware. I'm not posting to impose my will on anyone, or trying to prove that anyone's view is more correct than anyone else's view. I just want to give another perspective to the author, and everyone else interested in the post and feels like reading another perspective on time utilizing a view-point where all things are apart of one thing. The ideas I expressed are from Cantor's thoughts, if anyone feels my posts are too complicated they can gladly go further their understanding of the concepts by researching what Cantor thought and hopefully you wont find that as complicated. We are only united by words, but concepts are independent to us, because realities are independent to us. We all have our own personal language. My point with the post is all perspectives, are real perspectives, and they are all apart of the absolute truth and to those who don't want to restrict themselves to one view have the option of viewing things another way, this doesn't mean any one view is not truth. Philosophers don't impose their will on others, that is the art of the salesman. Observations are dependent to the observer, and philosophy is not defined by any parameters so as a philosopher I find it necessary to carry multiple view-points in my philosopher's tool-kit to further my understanding about anything. We all have the ability to doubt anything, and with doubt can come great understanding. So when I doubt something, to me that is just evidence that I need to think about it more to further my understanding, its a type of hunger signaling to myself that I need to further my awareness, and to further myself. Look at primitive tribal groups, they believed and found truth in all sorts of areas of mysticism. It was real to them and true to them. In order to find that truth, you must absorb their view.

Truth myths and mystics dont sleep well together..

yes they do, Myths are a higher form of truth than facts.

Truth myths and mystics dont sleep well together..

I am doing a paper on eternal recurrence and how it is flawed
I am trying to prove that, for actions to repeat themselves, time would have to repeat itself aswell. I am finding this actually very dificult.
so far, I have an explanation of a video tape: Consider a videotape: once the video has finished, it does not begin again. If an individual decided to watch it again, someone must rewind the video until it has reached a specific time. The time indicator on the screen will read a specific time. That time will change back to what it was in the past as one continues rewinding the videotape.

what do you think of that?
I kind of made it up on the spur of the moment
so ya...any good argument for: if the world recurs, so should time.

????? please???????/
and thank you !!!!!!

Maybe. At first things can seem very complicated but as we explore any one thing, we are constantly learning from it, and we internalize it in our minds and it becomes us and is no longer complicated and we are no longer unaware. We become aware. I'm not posting to impose my will on anyone, or trying to prove that anyone's view is more correct than anyone else's view. I just want to give another perspective to the author, and everyone else interested in the post and feels like reading another perspective on time utilizing a view-point where all things are apart of one thing. The ideas I expressed are from Cantor's thoughts, if anyone feels my posts are too complicated they can gladly go further their understanding of the concepts by researching what Cantor thought and hopefully you wont find that as complicated. We are only united by words, but concepts are independent to us, because realities are independent to us. We all have our own personal language. My point with the post is all perspectives, are real perspectives, and they are all apart of the absolute truth and to those who don't want to restrict themselves to one view have the option of viewing things another way, this doesn't mean any one view is not truth. Philosophers don't impose their will on others, that is the art of the salesman. Observations are dependent to the observer, and philosophy is not defined by any parameters so as a philosopher I find it necessary to carry multiple view-points in my philosopher's tool-kit to further my understanding about anything. We all have the ability to doubt anything, and with doubt can come great understanding. So when I doubt something, to me that is just evidence that I need to think about it more to further my understanding, its a type of hunger signaling to myself that I need to further my awareness, and to further myself. Look at primitive tribal groups, they believed and found truth in all sorts of areas of mysticism. It was real to them and true to them. In order to find that truth, you must absorb their view.

we only have now everything else is history or expectation...infinity is less than a second away...the notion of infinity is only expectation nothing more..we can only live for the second and expect it too last just a bit longer..When we look at others moments or ours it is only a marker to this moment..infinity is an illusion to make us feel relative..

I understand that you are just trying to show other viewpoints, I just think you should try to simplify these viewpoints so you wont end up making walls and walls of text



Infinity is not an ilusion, but a concept. Everthing we perceive from outside our mind is an ilusion, or rather, something we cannot disprove to be an ilusion, but the concept of infinite will never change in our minds no matter how we call it. It doesnt matters if time is an ilusion, as long as our minds are active it will exist and be passing, thoughts cannot happen winhout time, and as we cannot perceive the inactivity of our own mind we must affirm time is infinite, because it exists for as long as we can perceive.

Can I answer??? What ever exceeds our grasp is the nearest infinity... If we could turn it over in our hands we could turn it over in our minds, so that all we cannot see beyond is infiniite no matter how near or close at hand...

So you agree its an illusion? tell me is infinity a second away or million years plus ?whats the nearest to infinity in your mind?

An ilusion is something that is perceived by the senses as true, but its not. A concept is pure logic, it doesnt haves any sensorial memories attached to it, nor it makes sense to imagine it, so its not an ilusion.

I dont imagine infinity as a period of time, rather I hold it as the concept of that time cannot end: Any imaginable period of time is valid.

but how long is your concept ? is it a long way away ?

The concept "time cannot end" holds no space for the argument "lenght"

I dont really understand what you are meaning. The whole idea of infinity is that any amount of whatever is infinite is possible, so there is no point in worring about the proximity.

It is as long as you want it to be.

so it has length..make your mind up..

This is why debating time before it is clearly defined is a huge waste of effort. What exactly is in dispute if you don't even know whether you agree or disagree with disputants what time is?

If we have to define time, then who is qualified? Has anyone discovered "facts" about time we can all review and then use as a basis for further discussion? Yes! Science has.

Now, does that mean we have to limit the discussion to what science has discovered? No, but it at least gives us a starting place, and it provides some guidelines for debate because any proposition can at least be expected to not contradict what's been discovered.

Here is something we know. Time (which I suggest is the rate of entropic change in the universe), can be altered by gravity or acceleration. Take it from there.

There will always be a past present and future. So time is never ending if you record it with a clock or calander or not. It is there.