Because a certain brand of Islam, funded by Saudi oil money, is becoming more and more widespread. If you asked a Muslim of the older generation whether stoning is allowed, you would most likely get a resounding no. But ask a young Muslim in the UK, and you may very well get a confident yes. Why? Because the parents of these younger Muslims didn't learn Islam from internet websites and free pamphlets funded by Saudi Arabia, whereas their children do. This is something you have to acknowledge if you are serious about why people believe the things they do.

But it is though. The majority of Muslim countries don't stone anyone.

The majority stand with me because the majority do not stone people.



Turkey has it completely wrong. If you read up on how secularism was shoved down the throats of the people after the fall of the Ottomans you wouldn't be saying this. Muslims have every right to want shariah. But shariah isn't what you think it is.

And it is also true that only shariah allows for stoning.

Saudi is the one with the money and god knows what other schemes it is involved with. It may well be the fountain of this fundamental inspiration but it is how us kaffs have to judge its accomplishments. It aspires to build giant imposing mosques wherever it can but denies the simple right of worship in its own lands. Like it or not, it imposes its views and its values on us all and by it we have to judge Islam.

There is enough examples of corrupt sharia to convince most moderate Muslims that it has no advantage.

It is not enough to not just be quite on stoning you have to be extremely vocal. Innocent girls are being killed by this evil and it needs your community to make itself heard. You may yearn for the Caliph but not many who have lived under sharia ever wish to return. You give me the countries that has introduced sharia where you can be proud of its advantage.

The point is; Christians and Jews do not do these appalling things anymore".

The genuine photo is obviously taken not too long ago and this type of hideous depravity is still being done in the name of god and Islam.

You don't know anyone who's ever lived under Islamic shariah. Iran and Saudi Arabia are not examples of shariah run countries. The Hijaz under the leadership of the Prophet introduced shariah and went from strength to strength. The shariah was eroded as the leadership became dynasties, from the Ummayads, to Abbasids and finally to the Ottomans. The 'shariah' you see examples of today are not really shariah, as they based on stagnated interpretations and out-of-context teachings.

It cannot be that the point of your post was to write the post, was it?

I think it pretty much was. I very much doubt this thread will contribute much to solving of abuse of rights amongst certain religious communities, or for that matter the use of bogus or misleading images to make a statement.

It's a forum on teh internets - not a letter to my MP. It whiled away a bit of my time putting certain thoughts together and typing them out and seeing how people reacted.

The non Muslim contributors will tend to say "how awful", and those of them who think they have nothing pressing to improve about their own societies will tut and bemoan the complacency of muslims in not preventing such things.

The Muslim contributors will point out that this isn't done in their name, or occur in their own sects or communities and is done by people who "don't get" what Islam's really about.

When the same topic gets raised again in five months time the reaction will probably be pretty similar.

Hmmm. It often happens that people write posts that have nothing to say, but it is rare that they admit it.

It does not. I've already said this. If you disagree, tell me why.



Why by it must you judge Islam?

What has no advantage? Shariah? Most Muslims would disagree with you. If something becomes corrupted, why does it follow that it would not be advanageous if it was fixed? Unless you believe Islamic shariah is a corrupt concept altogether.

What would I have to do to be 'extremely vocal'?

You don't know anyone who's ever lived under Islamic shariah. Iran and Saudi Arabia are not examples of shariah run countries. The Hijaz under the leadership of the Prophet introduced shariah and went from strength to strength. The shariah was eroded as the leadership became dynasties, from the Ummayads, to Abbasids and finally to the Ottomans. The 'shariah' you see examples of today are not really shariah, as they based on stagnated interpretations and out-of-context teachings.

I think it pretty much was. I very much doubt this thread will contribute much to solving of abuse of rights amongst certain religious communities, or for that matter the use of bogus or misleading images to make a statement.

It's a forum on teh internets - not a letter to my MP. It whiled away a bit of my time putting certain thoughts together and typing them out and seeing how people reacted.

The non muslim contributors will tend to say "how awful", and those of them who think they have nothing pressing to improve about their own societies will tut and bemoan the complacency of muslims in not preventing such things or not being loud enough in calling for change.

The muslim contributors will point out that this isn't done in their name, or occur in their own sects or communities and is done by people who "don't get" what Islam's really about.

When the same topic gets raised again in five months time the reaction will probably be pretty similar.

Don't get what Islam is about...hummmm so you do?

So what's the second picture you linked to about then?

The KSA is probably the richest kingdom on earth and Iran is not exactly poor. Indonesia,again not exactly poor, has just adopted this cruelty, Nigeria has a certain amount of poverty but I dont think this excuses them.

No one questions Amnesty in their attention, why question my motives?

I think you should first apollogize to the other members of the forum. We also have to read your rude language. How you expect we see you and what image you give us ?

to excuse objectionable executions by telling me poverty breeds state violence ?

Then you call Amnesty into question because it reports these events.

Just stop for a moment and consider what your opinions would be if America had hung two teenage boys in public from industrial cranes for being homosexual.

Or on a weekly basis you witnessed the same barbaric scenes in KSA, in Belfast.

It may not be ever Muslims idea of justice but it is for great deal of them and many with that view live in our communities.

I called them "awful" didn't I?

More than once in fact.

I even broadly objected to capital punishment in every society. Not that you bothered to notice.

I don't think the fact that poverty is a contributing factor to state violence excuses anyone really, but I think the fact remains even if it's an unpleasant fact. An awful fact.When did I do this?

I said amnesty came under enquiry a lot - as it does from various stakeholders and critics. I haven't held it to account myself though. I think of all the world's institutions it's one of the best. I have volunteered as a worker for Amnesty a few times and consider it time well spent.

"Awful" - perhaps?

Not too long ago Christians in the South of the US used to lynch people because they were black and not as respectful as the Christian americans wanted them to be.

Which was awful.

They still think it's fine to litter Iraq with depeleted uranium.

Which is awful.


Ten years ago in Belfast I ws working with the BBC, and was a sort of runner/dogsbody on an interveiw of a man who was being released from jail after a short sentence because he was considered a PoW for stoving two drunk catholic boys' heads in with a breeze block.

Their crime?

They "got into a protestant taxi".

Which is awful.

Until recently that sort of thing used to occur in Belfast on a very regular basis - with the approval of many Christians.

Which was awful.

Last year some of these Christians, in this case catholic ones, went back to blowing up policemen in the hope of igniting the violence again.

Which I thought was awful. Hope they fail.


How awful.

"Oh you're just excusing it Dave."

I'm not, I said it was awful. I've called it awful loads of times.

"I can't see why you'd excuse it like that."

Oh for Heaven's sake!

Dave I know of these horrors and if you wish to make them a subject for debate lets do it. I admire your time spent with Amnesty I only wish Id had the chance.

If I mistakenly confused your views I apologize. My only concern is this fear of debating such controversial issues in these times of mutual mistrust.

Hmmmmm yeah, what scintilating insight.

If you didn't want the answer you shouldn't have popped the query.

To stone or not to stone...that is not the question
It's not as if once we see an end to stoning we will see an end to the violence against women. Violence against women is a global reality, true each culture has its own methods of controlling women more or less barbaric but what's the point of condemning the method used to kill a woman as if there are better or worse ways to do it. In our developed societies women still get killed by their lovers and husbands, and little girls still get abused by their fathers or some pervert. We still need shelters for abused women, child pornography and rape is on the rise, we have anorexy,etc.
In our modern societies, when a woman does not abide by the rules we use more sophisticated methods, we drive her crazy and then we put her on medication...indeed a less barbaric method of controlling her but to me it's just a matter of culture and there is something wrong in condemning what is happening far away instead of looking at what is happening in our own backyards.
We must get over the anti-muslim -pro-war propaganda, it's not helping anyone except those that are profitting from that ugly and stupid war in Afghanistan which has made complete fools of the Americans and the West in general.
Iran does not accept homosexuals but the gov't. covers all medical expenses for men and women that want to change sex...and such people are well accepted by their families and community.