http://radyananda.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/woman_stoned_to_death.jpg

http://www.asiaburning.com/images/a-woman-being-stoned-to-death_2411.jpg

Islam please explain these awful photos

That second one doesn't even look real. Besides Alan, you support a theocracy that use to promote stoning, so are you sure you can just come out and demand an explanation? It's obvious, they don't care about human life, and if it is female, it's regarded even less. That is what religion does. It pins people against each other to maintain itself. What ever threatens it, should be killed, that is it's motto. I doubt any Muslim would ever answer you on this question Alan.

Islam please explain these awful photos

I agree the second photo looks posed and fake unlike the first which is genuine

People often when shown a picture state that Christians and Jews "HAVE" BEEN GUILTY OF THE SAME TYPE OF DEPRAVITY.

The point is; Christians and Jews do not do these appalling things anymore".

The first one is a woman buried up to her chest looking very upset and the second is a fake.

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No, they do other appalling things instead. Stoning is not an Islamic punishment, as it has no reference in the Qur'an at all. This is unlike the Bible, where there are numerous references to stoning.

Stoning in the Muslim culture may have come as a result of cross-fertilisation with the Romans and the Arab Christinas/Jews, who used to practise stoning. The majority of Muslim countries do not practise stoning, with the exceptions of war-torn Afghanistan, Shia majority Iran, and some Salafi orientated nations such as Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Sudan.

Nevertheless, these appalling events of human depravity are still happening in the Islamic world, by saying Christian do the same kind of things is untruthful in the extreme

The first one is a woman buried up to her chest looking very upset and the second is a fake.

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No, they do other appalling things instead. Stoning is not an Islamic punishment, as it has no reference in the Qur'an at all. This is unlike the Bible, where there are numerous references to stoning.

Stoning in the Muslim culture may have come as a result of cross-fertilisation with the Romans and the Arab Christinas/Jews, who used to practise stoning. The majority of Muslim countries do not practise stoning, with the exceptions of war-torn Afghanistan, Shia majority Iran, and some Salafi orientated nations such as Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Sudan.

Nevertheless, these appalling events of human depravity are still happening in the Islamic world, by saying Christian do the same kind of things is untruthful in the extreme

Also in Pakistan,Afghanistan before the recent war. I thought it was sharia justice?

That second one doesn't even look real. Besides Alan, you support a theocracy that use to promote stoning, so are you sure you can just come out and demand an explanation? It's obvious, they don't care about human life, and if it is female, it's regarded even less. That is what religion does. It pins people against each other to maintain itself. What ever threatens it, should be killed, that is it's motto. I doubt any Muslim would ever answer you on this question Alan.

There's no-one islam-believer going to justify this I am afraid... No-one can.

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I think it's any-ones right to ask these questions.

I think it's a good question; beats mine about the symbolic meaning of the colour green in Islam.

I believe Allah is a fact of importance, since so many people believe in God. I also believe God should left a-lone & is not to blame for crimes committed in his Name.

I think we should shed our feathers and get rid of the scriptures and try it together in a truly Humanistic way. Modern society can do with-out Theo-craty.:devilish:

All types of human depravity are happening in all parts of the world. Stoning is not Islamic justice, so your objection should be against those who are using it in the name of Islam, not the religion itself.



I don't believe it happens in Pakistan, not officially anyway. I know some districts have been given autonomy and dish out their own version of Islamic justice, but stoning is not the norm.

There are scholars who believe it is shariah justice, but their argument is weak. They cannot support it using authentic texts. The problem faced by both Muslims and non-Muslims is that a particular brand of Islam gets a whole lot of attention, whilst the Islam we're trying to show gets little in comparison.

The death penalty is prescribed for only one crime in the Qur'an, and that is murder. And even then, blood money can be accepted to allow the criminal a lesser punishment. Killing for adultery, apostasy, homosexuality, paedophillia, having your honour insulted etc. are not based on shariah sources.

Or even excuse it, as some on this thread are trying to do.

http://radyananda.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/woman_stoned_to_death.jpg

http://www.asiaburning.com/images/a-woman-being-stoned-to-death_2411.jpg

Islam please explain these awful photos

Anyone who believes this kind of cruelity is proper is a complete and dangerous idiot.

I think it's well worth criticising real acts of violence towards women in some Islamic societies.

however - whenever the topic gets raised it seems to me that those raising it spice the topic up with some serious misconceptions - so before a debate takes place an argument breaks out between those wanting to discuss the facts of the issue and those indulging the hype.

Which looks like apologetics sometimes.

Case in point - neither of Alan's "evidences of stoning" are.

One might be a horrid demeaning torture - it might be a woman being prepared for execution - but for all the context it comes with it might be jihadis having fun with granny at the beach - what is the story?

And the other is just a fake - clearly constructed in order to hype this kind of debate - it's not even a good fake.

So yeah - let's not apologise for stoning - but let's not hype our positions with lies either.

What do you reckon of capital punishment? I'd say at best it is a thorny issue and liable to abuse. I'm glad to live in a society that has done away with it.

I suggest other societies do likewise, and that woman in countries such as Taliban-run Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia, are subjected to some of thr worst abuses a society that condones capital punishment tends to dish out.

And your point is......?

What sort of cruelty do you perceive in the second image?

Abuse of photoshop?

Perhaps the evidence in the photos was not sufficient

so I will ad another if you are brave enough to look at it

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