well when you consider they bare the brunt of the bombings and the vast majority of the insurgents are sunni, you can understand my statement.

well when you consider they bare the brunt of the bombings and the vast majority of the insurgents are sunni, you can understand my statement. Egyptians , Syrians or Sudanese make up the majority and the 50% of the suicide bombers are saudis.

Where in the world did you get this 'info'? Please cite your sources when you start throwing around statistics like these.

Xris,

Please my friend, lets stop and have a think.

You have raised many many points, and each time you make a point, someone comments on your point, and then instead of commenting back ON THE SAME ISSUE, you move on to a separate point.

This causes several problems. Firstly it is very frustrating to all reading, as their is never an conclusion or progress, perhaps your initial statement was correct? and just required further clarification, or perhaps it was completely wrong. The reader will never know becuase the topic has moved on.

The second problem is, the many interesting points you raise are being drowned out by their sheer volume.

I will give you one example, you mentioned how you understand that sunnis and shias dont consider each other muslims. Then I gave you two links which shows all the major scholars of BOTH schools of thought CONFIRMING that they are both muslim.

When I posted these clear facts to you, instead of making comment, you choose to ignore it, and instead the conversation moved on to a different topic.

Then you ask me, why I do not reply to your posts? Can you see how frustrating it is?

It is not my job to post here, Im here for fun, its not fun to continually correct factual errors in a never ending chain like fashion.

xris you have been asked you politely dear friend, to tone it down a bit, I know you're in your 80's but go for a jog or something and work it off, channel it and keep focused. I wont ask you again, please!
Thanks.

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How else are you going to make your points clear if you become too hot. Lets have a heated debate!

I think what it needs Xris is a closer look at the Koran, didn't I mention this before?

I thought maybe taking a closer look at it on the forum.

"That whoever kills a single soul for other than a soul(killed) or for corruption on the earth, it is as though he had killed all of humanity together, and whoever saves the life of a single soul, It is as though he had saved the life of all humanity together..."

i don't know what you mean, i don't the Koran at all.

I'm wondering how much longer the moderators will allow the stereotyping of Muslims to continue here in this thread...these religion forums are a problem just as I thought they would be, and standards of a reasonable debate should be enforced.

The Quran states,



-Surah al Ma'ida ayah 32

Most muslims out there, just like most christians, most hindis, and most of all HUMANS just want to live peacefully. The type of propaganda, fear mongering, and stereotyping that is going on in this thread is exactly what leads to more division between religious and ethnic groups, resulting eventually in violent conflicts. It is a lack of understanding...ignorance...that causes our anger and hate. I'd hope that a philosophy forum can stamp out ignorance before it grows out of control.

What ignorance, can you point to any?

No need to play dumb. Every time a topic comes up relating to Islam, you immediately show up with a clear agenda. Most of your posts in this thread were designed to, at least imply, that Islam/Muslims is/are, 1) inherently violent or 2) indifferent to the violence perpetrated by certain violent extremists who happen to be muslims.

You present no evidence from the Koran to show that the teachings of Muhammad themselves promote violence. You present no evidence from any reasonable sample of Muslims to show that they do not care about violence that is perpetrated in the name of Islam. Your posts are riddled with generalizations like "muslims are...", "muslims say..", "muslims think...".

Several times, you stated that you became convinced of your beliefs by visiting 'a muslim forum', as if that's a reliable thing to base your beliefs on. Most of the muslim world does not even speak your language, you do not live there, and you do not talk to the people, so how can you begin to think that one internet forum is legitimate to use for your beliefs regarding muslims? I was actually curious about your claim, and browsed through several muslim forums, and found no anger or violent tendencies whatsoever. But I'm not going to therefore claim that, due to my experience browsing a few forums, no muslims are violent.

You need to examine your beliefs and figure out why YOU are so angry at religions and religious people in general. If you've got a big problem with someone or something, it usually lies within you and not the other.

I don't know what my point is xris, you've been fighting amongst yourselves like you always have been, I just thought it was time for a change, it would be nice, please.
Thanks.

Now apart from your rhetoric be more pointed in your criticism of my posts and point out the errors or the exaggerations. I have examined religions and they have more to answer to than any anger I might express. I have noticed when the RC church was severely criticised by me, only the two crew members reacted to my posts. How many fundamentalists have invaded this forum with fear and retribution , I stand accused of bigotry now prove it.