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I think you have oversimplified. Bin Laden and his type have very little support, where as their is a general feeling of sympathy towards the Palestinians, Iraqies, Chechens, Kashmiris, Lebanese, Iran etc etc who have been wronged over the years.
Bin Laden is just using the genuine sympathy to try and justify his wacko plans.
Doesn't he claim to be a holyman?
There are all sorts of people in this world who claim to be some type of 'holyman' or prophet. That does not mean that they are recognized as such by the majority of followers of the religion they claim to be authoritative about. Osama is about as much of a mainstream "Islamic Leader" as David Koresh was a "Christian Leader". Thus why we distinguish 'islamic extremists' from muslims.
Are you actually trying to make a comparison between Osama Bin Laden, Mohammed, and Jesus? :sarcastic:
How have i simplified the suicide bomber problem ,its more that Bin Laden using the suicide bomber. Iraq and Afghanistan have there share without Bin Laden's influence. When you consider he has probably been dead for five years and the shia bombing of the Sunni and the Taliban bombing the allies has nothing to do with him.
I notice you have not shown your views on this phenomena, is it allowed in your opinion?
Yes you have clearly over simpliefied it yet further.
Its not a "suicide bombing problem", if Bin Laden started using other methods would that be ok by you then? The point is, if Islam really did encourage people like Bin Laden, then the world would look very different. The reality is Islam doesnt, and so the Muslims that follow Islam are not supporting or copying Bin Laden en mass. You can either choose to accept this reality, or substitute it for the one you want to believe.
The rest of your post I can not understand.
The speculative bubble that recently popped has been estimated to represent in excess of $55 trillion dollars. The global economy is not sound right now... it's circling the drain. And since it's still in the midst of floating on bail-out funds, it's not clear at this point if stability is in the near future. We may have to agree to disagree on what the detonation of a suitcase bomb in NYC would do. But NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago? Forget about it.:perplexed:
Doesn't he claim to be a holyman?
1) hypotheticals suck because it's not real life, 2) comparing different human stories has limits: car-bombers, clinic-bombers, federal arsenal-raiders. They're not the same. 3) I have a lot of respect for you, Aedes, I hope you don't forget that.
When you consider he has probably been dead for five years the shia bombing of the Sunni has nothing to do with him.
So the "majority" of Muslims don't condemn terrorism you say. To your knowledge has the majority of Christians condemned Bosnia yet?
I was making the point that Muslims have this mind set about suicide Jihad. Most maintain it is their right by scripture. Its not the isolated few who act on this authority, that alarms me but the majority that dont condemn its use.
Sunni or shia, its a weapon of choice and many poor souls are convinced by their teachers that they are doing gods will. If the Muslim community stood up against its use, we , I , might be convinced of their sincerity.
So did Charles Manson. I mean Bin Laden can claim what he wants, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether we regard him as representative.
The problem with understanding epochs in humanity is there is no "control" group. All we can do is look at scenarios that have some commonality and see what the common denominator is.
The common denominator between clinic bombers and Al Qaeda is that they both are willing to kill civilians and innocent bystanders, against any sort of local legal framework, because their targets are morally abominable on essentially religious grounds. We can debate about this language, but it's something like this.
So can't we look at these and other similar situations and ask whether the thought process of such extremists should be generalized to their religious community at large? (by this I mean all Muslims or all Christians)
I would openly condemn it , without a moments thought and you only have to ask me once.
I dont hear any Christians saying...
hmm...also sounds like a certain president i recall not that long ago...
What I know about Islam isn't much. They're known for intricate patterns in their architecture. If it hadn't been for Muslims, a significant portion of greek philosophy would be unknown to us now.