When is fighting necessary? Who in Islam makes the decision as to what is just and what is injustice?
You probably won't like this answer but what the heck; fighting is necessary when there are violations against the Islamic concepts of justice. Oil, or war economy would not be legitimate reasons to invade another country, for example. Who decides? Well in a functioning Islamic State it would be the Administration guided by the unanimous verdict of learned people.
Yeah, I don't understand any of this. Any religion that teaches it's necessary to go to battle, IMHO is a bad religion and is cancerous to the entire world. Fighting is not a way to peace nor is it productive in society. Killing each other has never been a good example of ANYTHING!
Perhaps, but fighting is a reality whether you like it or not. Understand that humans have very unique qualities, which can ultimately lead to conflict. Tolerance and compromise are put against determination and defiance. You cannot be in admiration of the determination of humans to, for example, continue the search for a cure to cancer but then complain when that same level of determination is channelled to spreading democracy in oppressive countries. The fact is defiance is a human quality, and where there are two opposing opinions a conflict is inevitable. With this in mind, it is rather idealistic to say you believe any philosophy which includes a military aspect is bad.
You can go on a suicide mission but only against enemies. That sounds like a wonderful program to be a part of.
It's wonderful to me. What better way to leave this world than in protection of those you love and care for?
Where's the line drawn? Because these people that blow themselves up in night clubs view those in it as the enemy. Why does there have to be an enemy? I think maybe this is where the confusion is. It seems there's a fine line in which militants cross and that fine line seems to allow this crossing.
Well, I think I can tell the difference between a combatant and a non-combatant. That is the line. The people who distort these lines are not a new phenomenon, as extremists have been around a very long time. The IRA who used to bomb London or the KKK who would lynch black people in the name of Christianity, they are all the same. It's nothing new.
What I'd like to know is who or what is considered the enemy? Maybe it would help if we could identify the enemy. I know what the Qu'ran says but I'd like to hear who the enemy is from Muslims.
The enemy for the Muslims are those foreign armies occupying and destroying them. This would be pretty much the whole Western world, I guess.
To raise a child in this world and teach them that there is an enemy among us sounds like bunk to me, not a peace seeking religion.
Islam is not a 'peace seeking religion', which is the most perpetuated slogan in recent times. Islam is a religion of justice, not a religion of passivity. Where there is injustice, Muslims are required to change it through words and actions. If this requires fighting then so be it. Once justice is established, the natural result is peace. But please understand the distinction; it is justice, not the wish for peace which is the foundation for Muslim actions. When there is justice between a man and his Lord, between him and his family, between him and his neighbours, there is peace.
Why is it strange? If any other religion were crossing a line such as this, there would be many who would stand up against it and there have been. If a bunch of Christians decided to misinterpret something in their bible and become militant in their mission, then there would be many others who would rise up and condemn the terrorism.
I would not require the Christians in the street to especially come out and condemn Christian oppression and aggression. I certainly would not require Christians to be more vocal in condemnation of terrorists if the Christians themselves were the ones being killed. Why would I need them to be more vocal when I see their innocents being slaughtered? Isn't it obvious they are against such acts?
All this crap is in the past as well. The prophet you speak of and and bible and all these books are HISTORY. Written for another time, written in a barbaric age, written for a lower level consciousness, these are old expired garbage that we seem to cling on to for reasons I cannot seem to understand.
Barbaric age? Considering we live in a time where we have more slavery in the world than ever before, where 80% of the worlds wealth resides with only 1% of the population, where more people are killed in wars with weapons of massively mass destruction than in the time of the Qur'an, where there is more artificially created poverty than ever, I can't really see how the world was more barbaric one thousand years ago than it is now. I find it to be such an ignorant attitude to consider humans of previous generations as being of a 'lower consciousness'. The knowledge we have today is built upon knowledge attained by those before us.
The Qur'an is a timeless text. It was not meant for any particular people of a particular time. Just because your great higher consciousness cannot see this does not make it 'old expired garbage.'
Sorry, it just doesn't resonate with me. However, in all fairness I think it's important to understand who is the enemy so Muslims don't have to tackle this alone and work together in peace with other religions to nip this enemy thing in the butt before it keeps getting out of hand.
If you believe the 9/11 attacks were a false flag operation, then you may come to believe, as I do, that the terrorist threat is perpetuated by the 'men behind the throne' to continue an agenda. People are easily controlled when they are scared, and do not question normally questionable decisions. I'm not saying extremists don't exist, I'm suggesting many attacks you see are desirable for certain people in the West who benefit from the fear created by brown bearded young men blowing themselves up, and as such allow and encourage the carnage we see to continue. Identifying the enemy is much harder when you see the world like this.