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PappasNick
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 01:50 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;142144 wrote:
But how about the sense in which elephants are not animals?


Please tell us the sense you have in mind in which elephants are not animals.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 03:22 pm
@PappasNick,
PappasNick;142256 wrote:
Please tell us the sense you have in mind in which elephants are not animals.


In the sense in which it is false. You did agree that all words have two senses. The sense in which the word is applicable, and that in which it is inapplicable.
 
pondfish
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 03:36 pm
@pondfish,
I am not a preacher. I do not exist. Ofcourse you also do not exist but you are not aware of it.

You are just doing slave duty for your belief.

Words only lie , it can't speak truth.

You should never believe what i say or disagree.

I rather see everyone is their own guru. I am just a spark...it may slowly disappear...

You can masturbate with words all you want ....the end is where you have no energy left.

Words are just energy sucking method....Say nothing , conserve.

Say nothing of your belief , say only in general sense of humanity...because you have to observe a human as human not based on his belief.

Everything human does for a reason...be alive in his own way.
 
froach
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 03:40 pm
@pondfish,
only in silence can truth be found :flowers:
 
PappasNick
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 04:11 pm
@pondfish,
pondfish;142322 wrote:


Words are just energy sucking method....Say nothing , conserve.



You say many profound things, pondfish. And, as you warn us, we shouldn't listen to what you say. So I will only comment that as of late you have been sucking more energy than just about anyone on this forum. And that is only natural, for what are you trying to conserve?

You give us bad advice when you tell us to conserve. But you have warned us not to take your advice. You are not a preacher. You are, perhaps, an observer?

I like the image you suggested, that you are a spark that might slowly fade. For my part, I hope you generate much more discussion with your wisdom-that-is-not-wisdom. Find a way to keep burning in the night.

- Nick (who exists)
 
north
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 05:09 pm
@pondfish,
pondfish;142322 wrote:
I am not a preacher. I do not exist. Ofcourse you also do not exist but you are not aware of it.


I see , so are confused about our , your existence

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You are just doing slave duty for your belief.


not if I question

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Words only lie , it can't speak truth.


words describe an object(s) , the word is irrelevent ;, the object is what it is

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You should never believe what i say or disagree.


yet you have something to say , express

this tells you , you are something

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I rather see everyone is their own guru. I am just a spark...it may slowly disappear...


to bad , really

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You can masturbate with words all you want ....the end is where you have no energy left.


hmmm..

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Words are just energy sucking method....Say nothing , conserve.


then , understanding and knowledge becomes dwindled down

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Say nothing of your belief , say only in general sense of humanity...because you have to observe a human as human not based on his belief.


true

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Everything human does for a reason...be alive in his own way.


yes

hopefully for the best
 
Fido
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 10:19 pm
@froach,
froach;142325 wrote:
only in silence can truth be found :flowers:

Everything that is is reality, and reality is truth, so even lies are truly lies.
 
wildlife
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 10:38 pm
@north,
fish i don't understand why you speak and then you say not to believe or disagree with you ??. I thought I learned valuable information and now you say it was crap. thanks a lot. you must have played with my head knowing I knew nothing. feels like a terrible joke was played and it's not appreciated. must be a fun game for you. To think, you almost messed me up but thank goodness I now know what was happening. It's all bs right. :eek:
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 11:03 pm
@pondfish,
As the philosopher, Morris R. Cohen asked a young student who asked Cohen to prove that he (the student) existed, "Who's asking?".
 
pondfish
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 11:25 pm
@wildlife,
I can't make a fool. I can't make a person clever.

You have to do what you must do.

I can only be a spark for your questions. You still have to ask questions.

I am not your guru. you are your own guru. Every thing can be a spark for next great thing!.

You probably do not aware of what you do.

I create a kind of chaos in the mind. It is necessary for you to understand that.

Reason is simple. You should always feel you made the decision to change. Never give power to someone and say , you changed because someone one said ...so and so...

I give both red pill and blue pill. You have to make the choice. kind of matrix eh. It kind of confusing for people who read first time. Because i speak bothsides.

There is overwhelming satisfaction if you make the decision not others make a decision for you.

I can only go in zig zag , hope you catches on. I can't gurantee of anything in random universe. you find what you looking for , you take credit. I do not exist.

You manifest your own belief from my words because i am speaking from different plane (perspective). it is not higher or lower , it is different.

My words are crap in one sense and can be gold in the garbage crap.

It is always depends on observer and how he looks at things and his energy level at that moment.

What ever makes you feel good today , may not make you feel good tomorrow. You think you fixed your golf swing today ..week later you can't hit it straight..

There are other factors involved. We constantly change. All the time.

We have to continously adapt to new situation , new feelings. We need more energy.

You can either conserve or suck energy from somewhere. Ofcourse body need energy , you can do that with food but what about mental energy?.

Need to live?.

Even someone tells you something constantly and you like that , you get addicted and forget the context.

Context is the key not the message or the words.

Words lie in one sense mainly because your context is different from the person who said.

Key is though , you have to get inspired. You need source of energy. Find inspiration!.

You have to feel like kid in the candy store every day...for that as humans he wants to know new stuff new thing everyday. Human is kind of whore to beliefs. He wants new belief everyday.:detective:
 
Fido
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 05:51 am
@pondfish,
Fish or cut bait.. I don't need inspiration...I would trade all the inspiration in the world for a cold, hard, reliable fact...

Once more, we cannot define truth because truth is an infinite; but the truth defines us as infinites because it is truth that gives us life, and truth which kills us...

No one can live without enough truth, so if one would control the world one must first control truth, and in that sense truth is power... In fact, truth is but slight power because to truth -even the most powerful must yield, and those who deny truth as they deny all the essentials of life must learn some day what it is they deny only in the end to have no part of life or truth...
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 05:57 am
@Fido,
Fido;142504 wrote:
Fish or cut bait.. I don't need inspiration...I would trade all the inspiration in the world for a cold, hard, reliable fact...

Once more, we cannot define truth because truth is an infinite; but the truth defines us as infinites because it is truth that gives us life, and truth which kills us...

No one can live without enough truth, so if one would control the world one must first control truth, and in that sense truth is power... In fact, truth is but slight power because to truth -even the most powerful must yield, and those who deny truth as they deny all the essentials of life must learn some day what it is they deny only in the end to have no part of life or truth...


That truth is an infinite, and so, is indefinable, is a "cold, hard, reliable fact"? As the physicist Von Pauli, once remarked about something else someone said, "It is not only not true, it is not even false".
 
froach
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 06:32 am
@Fido,
Fido;142430 wrote:
Everything that is is reality, and reality is truth, so even lies are truly lies.


indeed, no arguement there
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 06:39 am
@Fido,
Fido;142430 wrote:
Everything that is is reality, and reality is truth, so even lies are truly lies.


And sometimes even lies happen to be true. But that still does not mean that mirages are oases. A real mirage is not any kind of an oasis. And, although, a toy duck is a real toy duck, no toy duck is a real duck.
 
froach
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 06:39 am
@Fido,
Fido;142504 wrote:
reliable fact...


Laughing great example of an oxymoron
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 06:42 am
@froach,
froach;142515 wrote:
Laughing great example of an oxymoron

Funny. I would say that "reliable fact" is a redundancy.
 
froach
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 06:50 am
@kennethamy,
eventually:bigsmile:
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 06:50 am
@wayne,
[CENTER]:bigsmile:
Does Truth has to be 100% proof ?
We can not make that kind of Spirit.

We want Things non-existing; we believe Santa...
There is no Truth, no truth...
Just One Final Ver-dict4 US All together.

We live on Earth / Soul connection
Nolens Volens
Laughing
[/CENTER]
 
froach
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 07:28 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
:saddened: santa isn't true:depressed:
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 07:30 am
@froach,
froach;142532 wrote:
:saddened: santa isn't true:depressed:


Or false, for that matter.
 
 

 
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