@pondfish,
You go round and round...as long as you babble with words...it is all he says she says ...
There is nothing called proof. All of them beliefs. All of them true in its context and false outside the context.
if some statement may seem true to you , may be false for others.
There is no common truth except for gullible idiotic human monkeys who likes to follow.
You should follow only yourself. You can only do that when you are ready to ask questions about your beliefs.
To do that you need strong mind and Hardcore honesty and not be afraid of your beliefs dictating things.
It is all infront of you but your beliefs blind everything!.