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I perfer sound thinking
why would you need to rationalize the obvious ?
without objects , from the micro to the macro , you wouldn't be , you wouldn't exist
Yes, Hegel is just poetry. Better to study engineering, and neither Hegel nor whatever antiphilosophy is hip at the moment...if one wants direct worldly significance. Compared to physical science, philosophy is a pillow (soft). Doesn't matter that science is grounded on an implicit metaphysics. They got it covered?
This is an attack on Psychiatry. I just offer it to show the vulnerability of "soft science." Philosophy is literature for repressed mathematicians?
Hegel is poetry?
If Hegel is poetry, why should everyone study engineering?
What is "antiphilosophy"?
How is philosophy "like a pillow"? What does that mean for philosophy to be "soft"?
Why is philosophy "literature for repressed mathematicians"?
What does psychiatry have to do with philosophy?
It's a free country, man. I'm quite aware that Hegel is difficult, often attacked, etc. But I stand by his system as deeper than Kant's.
But let me say that absolute idealism is not really idealism anymore.
It's not like Berkeley. It's name is related to its parentage.
The title of this thread is why Hegel isn't really an idealist.
The real is the rational and the rational is the real. The dichotomy is bogus because it's illogical.
Of course it's pragmatically useful.
And Hegel is indeed from a practical view just brilliant poetry.
Do you like Rorty? Rorty is a bridge from Hegel to the useful folks.
I think much of analytic philosophy is a cowardly retreat from everything that makes philosophy worth the trouble.
Of course Rorty was a member of the tribe, but he crossed the aisle and united the clans.
Here's the thing. Clear language is great. But language is often metaphorical. You can't calculate philosophy as if metaphor is clear as math is clear. And the denial of metaphoricity is highly questionable in my book.
Language requires interpretation. It's not a perfect medium.
Yes, the continental boys are often full of S, and many of them bore me. But the best part of the cont. tradition engages the real difficulty of communication. I don't like reductive theories of meaning, which sometimes flatter the reducer.
The self-consciousness of the absolute is a brilliant notion.
I dug up a 3rd party interpretation. I have littered the metaphysics section with my own interpretation.
Let me stress that as much as I love Hegel, the idea is more important than the man.
So if my interpretation is wrong (a matter of debate), it's still at the moment what I would prefer to the official Hegel-line.
Yes, H is poetry. As is much of philosophy. But that statement is itself poetry, in that it is metaphorical, as is much philosophy. Check out the roots of the word poetry.
Antiphilosophy? To oversimplify: a contempt for metaphysics. (Which includes ontology.)
We want a miracle! Give us cold fusion. Give us something we can use! Not all this babble! Think positivism and its offspring.
The literature thing is sincere.
Phil is fiction dressed as nonfiction?
Sorta-kinda.
What is truth? Well, that's no easy question. Anyone can talk sh*t, so philosophy is soft.
It's tangled up in aesthetics, opinion, morality, politics. Just like psychiatry.
Not so long ago, homosexuality was a disease. Mores changed and "science" followed suit.
The humanities, god love them, are soft.
What does it mean to have a degree in the humanities? That the teacher liked your opinions? That you remembered the plots of certain books? And this is coming from someone who spent many years on literature.
Physics is different. You can build a bomb or land on the moon, and this more than just opinion. Physics wins wars. Of course so does rhetoric, but rhetoric alone won't cut it. Not anymore.
Psychiatry is in many ways soft.
It's diseases are poems. And some say its poems are diseases.
It's the same with foolosophy. Some view metaphysics as trash. How do you convince them otherwise, assuming you are foolish enough to bother? Rhetoric.
Hell, you might say that the cutting edge of mathematics is soft, as folks can disagree on new math concepts.
For instance, Cantor was driven mad partially by Kronecker. There are debates about the nature of number. Until math becomes a computer or a space shuttle, the layman can only shrug. Negative numbers were long viewed with suspicion. Nowadays, huge prime numbers are used to encrypt valuable information. Imaginary numbers are old old news. What is truth in a social sense? Consensus. Say the wrong thing in front of the wrong people and you are a fool, a sinner, or a madman. This is the power/truth dynamic. When I made that engineer quip, I forgot to mention another path of worldly significant more akin to philosophy, and that is politics. If you're rhetoric is slick, you can outdo the engineer perhaps, for politicians decide whether tax money is spent on fusion bombs or solar panels, etc.
turing: (next time try not to steal a name you are unworthy of)
u = pretentious little d-bag. game over. welcome to ignore.
Turing equivalence --- Two computers P and Q are called Turing equivalent if P can simulate Q and Q can simulate P.
So 2+2=4 is true now, but becomes false when we die because numbers cease to exist?
The concept denoted by "Red" is a "judgement"? That's not right. Concepts are not judgments; rather, we make judgments using concepts.
"Knowledge" is a judgment? John has knowledge that Obama is the President. So John's knowledge is a "judgment"? That's not right.
John can still have knowledge that X, but not pass the judgement that X.
Likewise, John can make the judgment that X, without knowing that X.
true.
2+2=4 is not true or false when we die..
2+2=4 is not true or false when we die...It simply has no meaning.
Red is a judgement, and if we pick up the judgements of others culturally, they are still judgements.. And we make deductions, judgements based upon the accepted judgements of others....
This kind of reasoning lead you to think that the whole of mathematics is just a bunch of definitions. you have no problems with this?
Red is most certainly a judgement, that there is such a quality, or that something bears that quality...
All of our concepts are also judgements of a simple or complex nature...
Red as a word in English has English cultural judgements,
and I assure you that culture does play a part in what we think is true, and how we approach reason
...What can be said of concepts in particular may be said in general of culture...
Culture is knowledge, and our cultures teach us what is true or false, and reflect the acquired learning of a whole people...
And actually math, and all knolwedge is a series of definitions...If you knew the meaning of every word in the dictionary you would know everything...What distinguishes a smart from a dull person is the number of definitions they know...
As far as meaning goes, I would say it is far more presumptuous to think a thing will have meaning to you after you die when the life you have which gives all things meaning has departed from you... We find meaning with our lives, which are all meaning to us, and you must know that all the things one usually finds meaning in will be traded for life, to preserve life, or to buy another minute of it...Whether you admit this or not is immaterial...Just look at what people do...
Hex Hammer, quite reading New York Times bestsellers and read some real philosophy.
Scratch that: read some rational philosophy.
To stay on topic, I think NAND and NOR and the constructable equivalence to NEGATION reveals that the change of symbolism from something unitary to something with a certain dynamism is what is essentially presented with the whole REAL=RATIONAL postulate.
That is, whereas the REAL is what we might say is objective or something like that (true independent of opinion), the RATIONAL (that which can be put into a ratio) allows for a multiplicity-- the connection of man with the knowable.
The real isn't rational, only very naive people would think such thing, those who are prone to manipulation by group think, less bright, ignorents ..etc.
Observing most women, they will buy excessive amount of cloth, things they don't really need, things that will pose health issues, such as stiletto shoes, corsette, makeup filled with chemicals ..etc.
Communism has long induced stupid ideals into it's followers, which they now try to revoke in favor of capitalism, which was it's old mortal enemy.
Come on now, Hex. You are being lazy here. I already said that "rational" in this case is not an adjective of commendation.
The intelligible structure of what we call reality is one and the same with our system of concepts. And the confused duality that philosophy has made of the two is also a part of this system of concepts.
The point here is the dissolution of a dichotomy. Or shall we say the resolution of an old old problem....mind/matter and the problem of universals.
Hex Hammer, quite reading New York Times bestsellers and read some real philosophy.
Scratch that: read some rational philosophy.
To stay on topic, I think NAND and NOR and the constructable equivalence to NEGATION reveals that the change of symbolism from something unitary to something with a certain dynamism is what is essentially presented with the whole REAL=RATIONAL postulate.
That is, whereas the REAL is what we might say is objective or something like that (true independent of opinion), the RATIONAL (that which can be put into a ratio) allows for a multiplicity-- the connection of man with the knowable.
Purely spekulative, delusive philosocally mastrubationally pharses.
It roots in nothing concrete other than old weird books, that fools many philosophers.
Still, why do you raise such a stink? It's like your knocking on someone's door, who's watching a basketball game, and only to tell them that you don't like basketball. :Glasses:
As philosophy becomes practical it becomes a science. Perhaps you have heard of physics, biology, psychology. Well, these are offshoots of philosophy. But some of us like the poetic/creative aspect of the most general kind of thought. And I agree w/ Witt that philosophy should concern itself with the structure of thought, the science of science.
Yes, you could be peeling potatoes, or programming tomorrow's favorite search engine, but you are not. You are here with the useless philosophers.
If we are doing it wrong (which I do not believe, of course), perhaps you should show us how it should be done. Let's hear your philosophy, Hex. Quote your favorites. Start a thread in the meta-philosophy section about the purpose of philosophy. You have been repeating yourself a bit with this same criticism. (I'm glad you're on the forum, so don't take any of this as a personal attack...)
I do belive you have already read my most essential critisism of mastrubational philosophy as I call it, and does not need to elevate my views further.