...your halloween costume says everything about you...why should it not ?

Whatever you do, or choose, you do it because you are you and not someone else...the costume, whatever you pick, does n' t hide you... by the contrary, it reveals you quite well.
Dynamic, momentum, or simply the path, are in the eye of the storm on this concern...

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I disagree , the choices you make may reveal things about yourself but when you are in disguise your choices do hide you from others who cannot discern who you are while in disguise.

The point is that only you can know yourself, what others know is their perception of you, and that may or mat not be accurate, depending on how well they know you.

Many child molesters appear to others to be friendly, child loving people, and that is how people see them, and that is how these predators manage their prey. Just because people see them as friendly certainly does not reveal their true character/ selves.

Self is an imagination of the brain trying to perceive its environment, just like those people trying to perceive the molester. Both are mistaken in their discernment of what they are trying to perceive. The molester is not a friend to reality and the neither is the brain. The brain causes us to perceive in the physical and only by what it is physically able to comprehend. Anything that is beyond the reach of the brain's ability to comprehend is diluted into whatever it can manage to suggest.

A diluted reality is not reality.

There are no accidents, only a matter of how conscious we are of particular things at particular times, and keeping in mind we are not omniscient.

It appears to me as I gaze into the mirror that I am the most handsome man on the face of the earth. Of course the reality you see when you look at me may have a different conclusion. And also, I, or what I really am, has nothing to do with the facade I see in the mirror. When I put a mask on my face and look in the mirror am I not the same person? How is that possible when I am looking at a different face? Obviously the appearance you see has nothing to do with the reality of who you are. And yet we all recognize each other mainly by our faces. There are other characteristics which those who are familiar with us can recognize like dress, stride, and physical structure for instance, but the details of the face make it easier to eliminate similarities with other people.

And yet, even when disguised somehow, our friends may not recognize us, but we are still who we are, whether they know us or not. Reality is not a matter of appearance. Reality does not take form based upon appearances or perceptions. In my halloween costume the reality is I am still me, no matter how you would perceive it.

There is a large white screen in the back of the room. A projector is casting an image of a man standing there from an old movie that is playing.

What we are looking at is the visual image of an old man.

But in reality it is a large white screen regardless of what your brain is telling you is there, or the function of your visual cortex.

Speculations about what might be reality are NOT reality.

longknowledge
Unfortunately, science has brainwashed us into thinking that the so-called "physical objects" that they postulate as the causes of the "visual phenomena" we experience are more "real" than the "visual phenomena" and the thoughts and memories we may have about them.

yes fair comment. BUT are they also saying that visual phenomena are real? Are they saying that visual phenomena are real but different to objects?

I can never understand from what you have written re ortega, as to whether he disputes the reality of objects and spacetime as revealed by science, or not. I know he states the reality of the belief of those scientifically postulated phenomena, but he seems to dodge whether they are as real as experiences. Everything being an experience gives two possibilities (within the experience of simple logic) that a football is an experience in and of itself in a spacetime in and of itself, and/or a football is an experience for a seperate mind. Both, either, neither?

If ortega rejects objectivity, then your arguement re the reality of an appearance compared to the reality of an object that causes it, is not true to the ortega scheme is it?

Fil. Albuquerque
All phenomena's are equally Real

is that necessarily true? Are you stating a personal belief?

If there is a context for 'real' as a quality, then could there not be a context where one phenomena is less real than another?

eg if realness is experience, then objectivity attempts to undermine the realness of experience, even though it can be concieved of as an experience. Is this not precisely what longknowledge is saying? ie objectivity as an experience, is an attempt at an inauthentic experience.

i wasn't trying to get you to agree. i wasn't saying that philosophical schemes that say everything is equally real are false. I was exploring possibilities, particularily with regard to ortega, and objectivity generally.

With regard to authenticity, reality and experience. One person perceives george bush junior as a part of a secret government and feels the hate and fear of him. Another feels he is a man trying to do his best for the country and is grateful. If the two people believed in Ortega's philosophical scheme, (that may or may not be against objectivity), then each might say that authenticity of experience is everything here. (Including the rejection of believing in the objective truth of george bush?)

Fil. Albuquerque
...Objects are about partial yet genuine knowledge...meta-Objects are about not needing to know...

....... was i asking impertinently about a meta object?!