Wayne,

Since truth is exceedingly subjective at best, how exactly are we supposed to find the one truth that fits all?

If there is an 'Ultimate Truth,' it certainly resides outside of the mind of man which is in constant flux, because even if we chanced upon it we would of necessity move on and leave it behind. : ^ (

S9

Yeah, thats pretty spot on. I iwas kinda tryin to demonstrate the tail chasing that we do, but you said it better than I

True statements are not subjective. That's why they are true statements rather than opinions.

"The world is flat" was a true statemen

No it wasn't. The world was never flat so "the world is flat" was never true. The statement "the world is round" is true and has always been true for as long as the Earth has, in fact, been round.

Night ripper,

I wonder if you realize, yet, just how much every thing you think is a 'fact' actually passes through the filter of your own mind, and is translated according to what you previously thought you knew.

Not only that but, introduction of certain chemicals whether synthetic or organic can change everything you thought you knew almost immediately. Alzheimer's would take away your memory, and the whole foundation upon which you build your world.

Are you sleeping right now or even in a comma? Prove that you are not. : ^ (

Sri Ramana: "We don't live in the world. We live in our heads."

S9

Wayne,

Is our head chasing our tail? Or are the head and tail simply spinning in unison, much like the Ouroboros; the mythic snake with his tail in his mouth?

First we pretend to find a premise, and then we pretend to add to this premise, which is a little like seeing pictures appearing in the clouds, when we look at them for any period of time.

Mind is a pattern seeker, trying to make sense out of what we believes it is seeing, and goes on to build its world, brick on brick, with these fictitious patterns. This, my new e-friend, is very similar to our nightly dreams.

With Respect,
S9

Truths are lies that work. Lies are truths that don't work.

What does it mean to work?

True statements are not subjective. That's why they are true statements rather than opinions.

Of course, don't forget that opinions can be true, too.

"professional opinion" but that's just a misnomer. A doctor gives you his "opinion" but you either have cancer or you don't.

Night Ripper wrote:

"professional opinion" but that's just a misnomer. A doctor gives you his "opinion" but you either have cancer or you don't.

I'm not sure that all opinions are subjective. And I don't think it is misleading to use "opinion" non-subjectively, in some cases. For instance:

Opinion:

A 'Scientific opinion' is any opinion formed via the scientific method, and so is necessarily evidence backed. A scientific opinion which represents the formally-agreed consensus of a scientific body or establishment, often takes the form of a published position paper citing the research producing the Scientific evidence upon which the opinion is based. 'The Scientific Opinion' can be compared to 'the public opinion' and means the complex collection of the opinions of many different scientific organizations and entities, and also the opinions of scientists undertaking scientific research in the relevant field.

Opinions are like:

1. Classical music is better than modern music.
2. Yellow is a pretty color.
3. Olives taste gross.

I don't see how such things could be true or false. Perhaps you meant something more like "professional opinion" but that's just a misnomer. A doctor gives you his "opinion" but you either have cancer or you don't. That's a fact, not opinion (which is the contrary).

Engineers don't build bridges by swapping opinions. They take measurements that are grounded in objective reality.

Ooooh!! I'm glade we magically could change the world and all the incompetent doctors, who NEVER misdiagnose things. Or do either of us live in different realities? Or are some of us just naive?

When a doctor misdiagnoses someone does she say "well that was just my opinion" or does she say "well it looks like I was wrong."

I think it's pretty obvious that opinions in that sense are very different from the sense of opinions in "the Dallas Cowboys are awesome!"