Whether they are well justified or not, such assertions are ultimately conditioned and inter-dependent with the subject.
They cannot be absolutely independent truths waiting for humans to reach them at some time in the near or distant future.

I should add that I view logic itself as the supreme white lie. So white & seductive that we cannot think outside of it...

Thus there is the idea that logical inference has a use as a tool for human survival, but that its existence does not support the existence of truth, nor does it have a reality beyond the instrumental: Logic, too, also rests on assumptions that do not correspond to anything in the real world.
(Nietzsche, 1878, Human, All Too Human)

Yes, especially when dealing with a more refined level of reality.

Here is a comment by Nietzsche



But nevertheless, logic is very necessary and useful within a certain range of reality.
It is relevant as long as we use within its limits.

Wouldn't you agree that even subjective truths are not ultimate, until some point where they are so true or irrefutable that they are not subject to change with more information?
S9

Only at the core perhaps.....but the core is quite persuasive..A = A

Of what great things have you solved with your logic, in the real world? Seems your logic only extends to the mere theory of logic.

That's just it, Hex Hammer. Logic is only simple and pure on the formal level. Beyond that and it all gets slippery. On the other hand, to see the root of our entire mathematical structure is something exciting.

It also seems that ethics, aesthetics, logic, and math, meet up at the root of our minds. But that's a personal opinion.

As far as the real world goes, math is a mutation of logic, and we see quite clearly what math has done for us.

Ah, yes ..thought so. You are only a pocket philosoph, never been able to use your theories to anything.

Empty rethoric.

You got me! I'm just a poet.......

& what are you? An under-educated pseudo-Napoleon who can't even successfully spell his clumsy insults.

Perhaps you find the art museums superfluous as well. Utility is indeed the proper god for a tool.

I'm a brutal efficient problem solver, I'v worked in a big newspaper in the quality departmen, solved problems for people who on paper was thousand fold better than me, higher education and more experience. Yes, I'm a terrible speller, but that has nothing to do with solveing problems, nor looking at things in a realistic and pragmatic way.

If you let people to navel gazing behaviour, things will come to a stall, if you have guts enough to kick people in the ass, you can achive great things, just that I don't have great appeal when doing it.

If you changed your ways, you could achive great things, you do have a great knowledge base and are very active, just that you need directions.

Hexhamer,

Being rude isn't the same thing as being a problem solver. Who are you trying to kid?

Anyone who wants to get things done in any big way, usually has to unite people, and inspire them to work well together.

Hit me with a stick and try to make me cower under your rough handling, and not only wouldn't I work well with you, but I would look for a way to F-k you up. : ^ (

I would also most likely succeed because of the energy you produced behind my disliking you. Isn't that counterproductive on your part to bring this turn of events about? That is not a productive way for you to accomplish anything worthwhile.

Hex,

Says you, Mr. Bully.

S9