What does it matter what Walter Russell said or didn't say, if we approach his works with a closed mind?

Have we been able to reproduce or top the the greatest of achievements of our forefathers?

If anyone here would just take a few minutes and search the Internet, searching for free energy technology (for example), and then seriously study what you find, you will come to discover that they all have the same foundation.

Walter Russell shared with the world on more than on occasion in detail what this foundation is. Fact is, his methods are so simple that the men of science, of today disregard them because they lack complexity.

Because it does not conform to the physics of Einstein, and Newton, and the laws of thermo dynamics. Unfortunately most of these men and woman of science lack intuition, or are mislead in their observations.

A force attracted this apple to the earth. (Gravity) (True) He failed however to explain how the apple got up where it was to begin with, in defiance of gravity! Russell explained this in plain everyday language.

No need to be sorry. If it is a no brainer as you say then please explain to us how the apple got up to those heights in defiance of gravity.

Short synopsis. The corner stone of our universe is Mind. Light and Mind are One. This light cannot be experienced physically, (through our senses) for Light is of the realm of the spiritual.

In the position the seed once occupied is where Mind centers its creation, this location is identical to the position separating the north and south pole of a permanent magnet (block wall).

I should have started a new topic, rather than posted in an existing one. I was hoping I wouldn't have to deal with folks like RemberingIAM, whose words are yet to surprise me in a positive way. I believe RemberingIAM and the like don't preceive reality the way it is, but rather the way it is in their head.

Is doesn't matter to you? That's okay. It does to some. Nobody is approaching anyone's works with a closed mind here, au contraire, but we won't glorify blatant errors and feed on a personality cult.

There is no closed loop overunity system available at present time, and people who claim they have one can apply for the James Randi One Million Dollar challenge like right now and shut everyone up. Why does it not surprise me that that never happens?

Since it's so simple, why don't you just tell us. I admit, I have no clue as to what you're saying here. So let's hear it from you. All the stuff that's so simple and lacking complexity, what more can a simple individual like me ask for? So please, let me know. If you don't let me know, I'll have to start assuming you're full of bullcrap.

Well, what exactly does not conform to the laws of thermodynamics? And how would you know anything about it?

Are you an inventor who has discovered an entropy law violation? Nope, you're just someone who thinks he can convince people with unsubstantiated talk. You can, of course, save yourself now by instructing me on how to make a closed loop free energy device. If I succeed and get rich, I will not forget you.

Newton never claimed to have had an explanation for the apple prior to its fall. Walter Russell, though, thought he knew how the apple got there in the first place, right? He just never told anyone in proper terms. But Newton did tell us what he knew in proper terms. Equations. No equations - no egineering. No engineering - no application of science in real life. Russell - talk, talk, talk. Newton - equations anyone can use, albeit some weren't very accurate. But they were useful, he did his best, openly.

By the way, you can't have a legit theory without setting conditions under which that same theory could be falsified. We know what needs to happen for Einstein or Newton to be proved wrong. But how can we prove Russell wrong?

What potentially falsifiable information can he supply us with? If we prove him wrong once or twice or five hundred times, should we then stop listening to him, just as we will stop listening to Newton and Einstein when we learn how to attain superluminal velocities?

So RemberingIAM, after how many errors in Russell's teachings, provided we find them, should we say - no more??

Hey, didn't you just say Walter Russell had an explanation Newton didn't have? Now you're asking another person to explain it. Looks like Russell hadn't really explained it, despite your claims of simplicity and all. And there's little simplicity in his cosmogony, by the way. It's all very complicated looking.

Then how would you know it exists [except by just making it up, or repeating after someone?]? Sorry to break this to you, but what you can't sense -> you can't know. Take all the senses away from a human and he can't think, he can't speak, he can't do anything but vegetate.

Any quack can sell you their version of reality if you believe you can know things without sensing. This light cannot be experienced, this purple flying pig cannot be experienced, this invisible ghost cannot be experienced.... god.

That's called Bloch wall, not 'block wall'. Nice story, but anyone building on subjectivity and illusions, that have zero reality beyond the memetic reality, cannot build himself a castle, only a hay hut. Enjoy your hay hut, RemberingIAM.

Making love is a failed attempt at sensing love, (for the record the five senses: sight, smell, hearing taste, and touch).

Which is not unusual.
However, rather than believe, with regard to the anthropic principle, I have yet to see how to prove the existence of a reality apart from the human being to perceive it.

Precisely because there is no reality apart from human perception.

Some things you need to want badly enough to make them be true literally, or else the negativity of the sceptic plays an active part to block the effect.

Life itself fails to conform. Because of problems with entropy scientists continue to speculate with regard to a supposed Fourth Law of thermodynamics, a law to account for what they call "configuration", with quite some entertainment to be had frrom observing the argument over that.

The human being is in effect a closed loop free energy device.

The profoundly energetic effect of what they call consciousness has never yet been explained by science.

Particular criticism in scientific terms is certainly helpful but I fail to see that that is.
It is unkind to think that the Russells did not do their best, and kinder to remember that there were two of them.

Beware though, please, of what it means. According to scientific determisim your free will is not your own.
You have no choice about anything at all. The Universe already determined absolutely everything on your behalf.
Now tell me, do you own a choice or do you not own a choice?

Please expand on the Bloch wall

Honestly what other way is there to perceive reality other than mentally? You being of a different opinion please tell me what reality is, on what it is based, from what it extends and to what it extends, it's function and it's purpose.

Instead of attacking my views prove, me wrong.

The Gulf War, The war in Iraq, Aids, Outsourcing, Vietnam, World Hunger, Racism, World War I & II, Oil for Food, Unemployment. These and many other blatant errors are constantly being glorified.

Start like I did, develop an interest. Become motivated by that interest. It led me to Russell, the only one who had the pieces of the puzzle I was missing.
I take it you went to school, and were a good student. How long did it take you to understand your teacher, grasp the subject matter? How is it that you expect to understand in a few posts that from which you have neither prior experience nor interest.

You assume my use of the word simple means effortless. Mental effort is necessary, but not in the way you are familiar. To better understand my meaning start viewing the world around you as a work of great inspired art, which is constantly under the ever so watchful eye of the Master painter who envisions it. To you and me the picture would appear complex, yet to the painter simple.
Our assumptions of others are a direct reflection of how we view ourselves. I respect you, you challenge me. You force me to exercise patients that few are capable of.

I thank you for showing me that I am capable becoming one of these few

am an inventor of sorts yes, and through my researches and studies I have come to the conclusion that these laws, as we call them are limits, Mind barriers constructed and placed specifically where we find them by powers high up the food chain in our educational system to keep the sheep from discovering that they are men.

What benefit have we (those of the peanut gallery) from Newton's laws of gravitation. We had astronomy before him.

Don't get upset with Russell. Russell was a self made man. You must also be self made in order to understand him.

What personal reasons do you have for being sceptic?

Love for example cannot be sensed

Currents enter on side of the apparatus and without physical contact with the opposite side emerge changed.

Both Electricity and Magnetism can be and are conducted. You are familiar with how electricity is conducted; now familiarize yourself with how magnetism is conducted.

My friend you have stumbled onto this forum for what ever reason.

What, may I ask, out of curriosity did you mean by 'personality cult'? And have you read Russell?

You knew what I meant but you opened your mouth anyway.

I personally don't like to dwell on philosophical dead ends like that and prefer concentrating on matters that can positively improve human existence.

You just need to establish a base for reasoning and stick to it. I also like this thought:
Thinking without action images visions which die stillborn. Dreamers and visionaries who do not act to give form to their dreams and visions do not express power. They are impotent even though their inspiration be the mightiest ever conceived in the mind of man. They do not serve the world, even though their inner ecstasy makes them feel as a god.

What is life? Mind giving me your take on that? Define life for me, will you?

[The human being is in effect a closed loop free energy device.]
Then why don't you construct a device that mimics a human being on a small scale?

Nor by anyone else for that matter. Science doesn't explain everything but it sure beats pseudoscience, shamans and healers.
... didn't say he did not do his best. I said that Einstein and Newton should be given a break.

He did not eradicate war, hunger, oil dependence, but he often spoke about those things. He could have at least provided instructions on how to experimentally validate his octave waves, which would in the eyes of the world make him a far more respectable individual.

I believe the mechanism of the universe cannot be changed. But hey, I could be wrong. However it is possible to disturb the equilibrium, and thus modify the universal dynamics, resulting in a different equilibrium. Disturbances of equilibrium are everywhere, but the magnitude of the disturbances varies from one event to another. We humans, with our present capabilities don't realize much so we're drowning in an illusion of free will.

Define: mentally projected idea, idea, reality and mentally. Then perhaps I can help. Oh, and don't forget to define: Mind.

It is common practice that the proponents of principles violating the established views prove their claims, not vice versa. Those views themselves were established going through.

That aside, I have nevertheless indirectly proven you wrong at least three times already. You cannot construct a perpetual motion machine, you cannot demonstrate a violation of the entropy law under controlled conditions, nor can you provide an empirical base for your belief system.

I don't know what your definition of proof is, maybe a "mental picture of Jesus", mine is physical demonstration. If you forget about yours for a second and employ mine, you'll notice that I can't prove your views wrong, because the non-existence of something cannot be proven.

.....You need to adopt certain humanitarian predispositions, if you are to speak about those things as errors. I don't like any of those supposed errors, but they're here because morons are running this world, and there's not enough capable people who are willing to put their own butts on the line to stop them.

Perhaps they were using a heretofore undiscovered principle of lift? Prehaps it wasn't them who buit them. We don't know. So let's not listen to folks who think that they do know, yet can't duplicate anything. Thank you.

It might be, because it defies logic. It only makes sense if the universe is an open system.

Believe it or not, Newton's physics was enough to put a man on the moon. Oops, there's some controversy over a possible moon hoax, so let's put it this way: it was enough to put a man in orbit. You don't seem to be aware of the extent and far reaching consequences of his work....

Sounds like brainwashing. It's like studying the Bible and finding alternate meanings for different passages, just because the orignal meanings aren't compatible with 21st century mentality.

....What if I tell you love doesn't exist? Care to prove conclusively the existence of love? Seriously, I'd like to know.

I can tell you I've been waiting for this forum for a while. I came here hoping someone could help me get the remaining works of this man, and all the diagrams and explanations he's ever produced, just in case I missed something. Just in case there's a magic line or shape somewhere that could illuminate me.
We're labouring under false impressions, that make an individual greater than he really is....

Take this site for example, maintained by Dale Pond. http://www.svpvril.com/russell/russell.html

Description of Atomic Suicide: this is the book that Tesla advised Russell bury for a 1,000 years.

.......

Should we now say, birds of a feather flock together, or should we give Russell a break? That might be hard to do. He was an accomplished musician, sculptor, artist and architect, true. But scientist, championship figureskater and equestrian athlete?

Short synopsis. The corner stone of our universe is Mind. Light and Mind are One. This light cannot be experienced physically, (through our senses) for Light is of the realm of the spiritual. The Light that individuals involved in near death experiences is the same that is experienced by the illumed as reported by those who've become illumed to whatever degree. What we call light is not Light. It is but a simulation. What we experience and name light is in reality incandescence, Light is indivisible, it is stillness. Incandescence is motion. Mind is indivisible, and as such cannot be given attributes pertaining to motion.

Gravity is presently considered to be the attraction between bodies. This thinking however reveals to us only one half of a dual process. If there is an attracting (generating) then there must be a repulsing (radiating). Gravity is directly related to Mind, as it is the builder and destroyer of the form. In Mind all exists unformed, and undivided, this can be considered as idea. Gravity builds bodies for that which is ever present in Mind unformed and undivided (the ideas of Mind), and then breaks down these bodies returning them to the stillness of Mind. Idea belongs to Mind and is never created, only simulated. It is comparable to an artist who is possessed by and image in his/her "Mind"; this idea (image) is simulated on the canvas. The idea remains where it must. With Mind.

Gravity is the principle of polarization in action. Polarization is one of many principles used by Mind. Through its use undivided Mind seemingly divides, (mentally).

What follows is a visual demonstration of the principle of polarization.

Imagine you find yourself in a pitch black room. In this room is a source of light which is too weak to be pinpointed. As weak as it may be, this source of incandescence evenly wets all in the room. You are paralyzed, as your dominant sense of sight is no longer effective. This is not a handicap however, for as time passes in this dark vault you take notice that your sense of hearing, smell, and touch, have heighten. After a considerable amount of time has passed you notice a faint glow off in the distance ahead of you. You carefully feel (with your remaining heightened senses) your way towards it through the blackness of your surroundings. Upon arriving at your destination, you realize that the glow was coming from a highly polished mirror, which is absorbing and reflecting large amounts of the weak undetectable light saturating the room. As you focus on the mirror your eyes absorb the light reflecting off of it. After several moments your gaze relaxes as you no longer need to strain in order to make out your reflection. The mirror reflecting your image back at you provides you with a point of reference. With the assistance of the mirror you divide yourself as Mind divides itself, seemingly only (mentally).

Now you accomplished polarization with the help of a mirror. Where does Mind get a mirror if Mind is indivisible? At this point all that is necessary is to realize that one of the ideas of Mind unformed is that of a mirror. Just think of it the infinite gazing into a mirror and beholding the image of the infinite.

Now how does this all apply to the apple getting into a position where it comes under the influence of gravity? There was never a moment when the apple was not under the influence of gravity. The tree which birthed the apple exploded from a seed in two directions simultaneously. In one direction the roots were formed and the other the vegetation. Growth in the direction of the roots is gravitive (accumulative). Growth in the direction of vegetation is radiative (disintegrative). In the position the seed once occupied is where Mind centers its creation, this location is identical to the position separating the north and south pole of a permanent magnet (block wall). High frequency radiation is being emitted explosively from the center of our planet, while at the same time radiation is gravitating towards the center of the earth. Where these two intersect in vegetation, nodes are formed and in within these nodes seeds. For the purpose of nourishment and to assist in the further development and maturity of the seeds, they surround themselves with fleshy coatings. When the seeds mature they are released from the tree falling towards the earth, assisted by the gravitating radiation penetrating the planet. This radiation drives the seeds into the ground via compression not attraction. The new seed under the influence of gravitive radiation explodes once again repeating the process.

I realize that this is not what most were expecting, but as far as I am concerned, for me it explains all.

I should have started a new topic, rather than posted in an existing one. I was hoping I wouldn't have to deal with folks like RemberingIAM, whose words are yet to surprise me in a positive way. I believe RemberingIAM and the like don't preceive reality the way it is, but rather the way it is in their head.


Is doesn't matter to you? That's okay. It does to some. Nobody is approaching anyone's works with a closed mind here, au contraire, but we won't glorify blatant errors and feed on a personality cult.


If you believe those were spaceships, wizardry and Buddha consciousness, we haven't. If you believe those were mud brick houses, wooden ships and hundreds of thousands of human slaves, we have.



I've done just that. I mean, I'm the first person that would support any free energy device. As long as it's a real free energy device.
But...
All free energy proponents that are unwilling to have their work examined are in my view crooks. Those who have it examined usually 'land' on earth rather harshly. There is no closed loop overunity system available at present time, and people who claim they have one can apply for the James Randi One Million Dollar challenge like right now and shut everyone up. Why does it not surprise me that that never happens?



Since it's so simple, why don't you just tell us. I admit, I have no clue as to what you're saying here. So let's hear it from you. All the stuff that's so simple and lacking complexity, what more can a simple individual like me ask for? So please, let me know. If you don't let me know, I'll have to start assuming you're full of bullcrap.



Well, what exactly does not conform to the laws of thermodynamics? And how would you know anything about it? Are you an inventor who has discovered an entropy law violation? Nope, you're just someone who thinks he can convince people with unsubstantiated talk. You can, of course, save yourself now by instructing me on how to make a closed loop free energy device. If I succeed and get rich, I will not forget you.



Newton never claimed to have had an explanation for the apple prior to its fall. Walter Russell, though, thought he knew how the apple got there in the first place, right? He just never told anyone in proper terms. But Newton did tell us what he knew in proper terms. Equations. No equations - no egineering. No engineering - no application of science in real life. Russell - talk, talk, talk. Newton - equations anyone can use, albeit some weren't very accurate. But they were useful, he did his best, openly.

By the way, you can't have a legit theory without setting conditions under which that same theory could be falsified. We know what needs to happen for Einstein or Newton to be proved wrong. But how can we prove Russell wrong? What potentially falsifiable information can he supply us with? If we prove him wrong once or twice or five hundred times, should we then stop listening to him, just as we will stop listening to Newton and Einstein when we learn how to attain superluminal velocities? So RemberingIAM, after how many errors in Russell's teachings, provided we find them, should we say - no more??


Hey, didn't you just say Walter Russell had an explanation Newton didn't have? Now you're asking another person to explain it. Looks like Russell hadn't really explained it, despite your claims of simplicity and all. And there's little simplicity in his cosmogony, by the way. It's all very complicated looking.



Then how would you know it exists [except by just making it up, or repeating after someone?]? Sorry to break this to you, but what you can't sense -> you can't know. Take all the senses away from a human and he can't think, he can't speak, he can't do anything but vegetate. Any quack can sell you their version of reality if you believe you can know things without sensing. This light cannot be experienced, this purple flying pig cannot be experienced, this invisible ghost cannot be experienced.... god.



That's called Bloch wall, not 'block wall'. Nice story, but anyone building on subjectivity and illusions, that have zero reality beyond the memetic reality, cannot build himself a castle, only a hay hut. Enjoy your hay hut, RemberingIAM.

Greetings starchild,

Interesting..... I will view this website. I too consider the matrix as the sum consciousness of the beings of this planet, and all others as well, for my faith is that all is one. However when I use the word matrix I am referring to the structure of the invisible world our physical world extends from. It is my opinion that a persons thinking will forever be influenced (by who and what ever) as long as the individual(s) in question are ignorant of the laws which govern the unseen material. The invisible becomes the visible, to later become the invisible again. This manifests as a never ending cycle of giving, and re giving. We have been taught (beginning at very young ages) only to consider the material, (at least in western society) and through this we have willingly separated ourselves from our cause, searching for it in vain within the effect.


Rem

Hi Electra,

I wrote this as my predestined path was beginning to unfold. Your posting it here allows me to see how much I have evolved since it's composition.

It is my hope that one day I will be able to share all that I have found, or should I say all that has been revealed through study, and conversations with the creator through meditation. Most will not accept anything that I will share in the future, but those who do are in for a real treat.

The most important of my findings I could share would probably be that there is only one real truth in all the universe and beyond, it is the only thing that anything governed by motion should take seriously, and that is the law of Rhythmic Balanced Interchange (Walter and Lao Russell) between divided pairs of created things. The dividing and uniting pairs constitute matter and space, or the Sphere (circle - matter - male) and the Cube (square - space - female). All is hidden in plane sight. To bad we can't ask Da Vinci, I bet he knew....

Two symbols (square, and circle) have within them more meaning than could be expressed in a thousand books, in a thousand different languages and dialects.