Hey Spoon (yeah I'll start calling you Spoon now..)
Love to discuss stuff with you, you have valid points and logical thinking, unlike alot of people who i discuss this topic with!
You just gave an exact definition of both religion and law.
Well, yeah, I got some similar points against most modern law systems as I do with religion only difference is that nobody claim that some allknowing beeing created the laws, just people who think they know better then the rest of us (... fairly similar to alot of people here, me in particular)
Well, yeah, kindof... I agree with the first part of you statement that we are all completly free and also that we surrender some of that freedom to the state for protection, just as businesses surrender some of the income to gangs for protection.. Ofcourse it's for our own good but what I meant with "(voting?)" was that some churches vote as a group in elections and so on, not as induviduals which is the basis of democracy, that every induvidual should have as much power as the next one does.. When churches and maybe entire religions start voting as one, the induvidual part goes bye bye and the gang mentality is a fact...
Well, haven't been able too because they have pulled the door open and started handing me flyers and stuff... Yelled at them a while and then pushed them away from the door so I could slam it.. Anywhoo doesn't matter if you can
slam the door in their face or not, it's still pushing their belives on you.. Or trying atleast.. And if they speak for the church or not is also irrelivent as they belive they speak for "god", that's my biggest issue that you can twist and turn most religions into what you want it to be, it's like justifying extreme oppinions and ideas..
Not saying that it's limited to just religion in any way, but as it's not uncommon for people to fight over religion (the crusades, hitler vs. Jews, bush etc. etc.), not even saying that religion is the major reason but it's still a reason, so why give them reasons to rally the people around?
Well I find it hard to belive that people will ever worship Einstein's theory of relativity because he never tried to pass it as a infinitive moral code/law by a higher creature who is wiser then any man... Just as nobody have ever worshiped Sun Tzu's "The art of war" because that doesn't speak of how you should live and threaten with a neverending punishment in hell, just telling their theorys of war, warefare and tactics... That's philosophy, not trying to pass of your thoughts and ideas as truths handed to you by a bigger spirit..
Well, don't belive it limits knowledge.. As you said we doubt anything and everything until there's some proof.. And as the whole theory of a higher power lacks any proof or reasonable logic as far as I know, doubting it and even despiseing that other people don't doubt it is just reasonable according to me, but ofcourse you are entitled to have your own thougths on the subject.. When anybody can provide any proof for god's excistance, I'll back of and let people belive what ever they want to, until then, I think that bringing this debate up is only good, especially if the other person is a fanatic or really religious..
And for that murdering a murderer thing, I wasn't trying to start a new debate I was just asking if you do a bad action (as trying to spread a religion, or in my case, the same method with the opposit agenda) is bad if you use it for good?
I thought the point of philosophy where discussing out balls of knowledge that couldn't be solved in any other way then to compare ideas and reasoning out the most logical answer
"How dare you, wizzy, doubt the word and the image of an everlasting being. In God's infinite grace, you climb a hollow and decaying tree, revealing ever more your hubral arse as you climb vainly to reach the anti-christ, who lest occupy the top but more like had sewn the seeds of doubt that that tree even existed!!!! (Pope Spoonis the fourth)double wink...see I can do it too.
I would love it if you talked like that, cause then I would get angry..
And ofcourse I know that I shouldn't have this hate, but I do.. Everytime I see some religious fanatic talking about politics, why schools should have morning prayer or even seeing one of those tv-preachers talk about how everybody who is religious are better people, my hate arises and the best outlet is to discuss why I hate it... Think that's better then to go out and destroying a church or something like that... don't you?
Till next time Spoon, yo yo homie