Defense of Freewill Against Determinism

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ughaibu
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:05 am
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;149919 wrote:
You're happy with ignoring the topic of the thread and talking about whatever damn well you please?
Did I say that? If so, quote the post and explain your interpretation.
You began this thread with an argument that mirrors Swartz, as pointed out by Emil. I take it that Swartz is a professional philosopher. Professional philosophers are primarily concerned with offering technically interesting arguments. On discussion boards, the posters are more concerned about the attitudes that they, themselves, are justified in espousing with regard to various positions. This is the internet, not academia. Your naivety about internet discussion is not the problem of this threads contributors.

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kennethamy;149921 wrote:
I haven't given up on causal completeness, since I do not know what that is.
Okay, have a guess. Seriously, an inability to understand is not interesting.
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:35 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;149927 wrote:
Did I say that? If so, quote the post and explain your interpretation.
You began this thread with an argument that mirrors Swartz, as pointed out by Emil. I take it that Swartz is a professional philosopher. Professional philosophers are primarily concerned with offering technically interesting arguments. On discussion boards, the posters are more concerned about the attitudes that they, themselves, are justified in espousing with regard to various positions. This is the internet, not academia. Your naivety about internet discussion is not the problem of this threads contributors.



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ughaibu
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:42 am
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;149938 wrote:
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Call the moderators or **** off.
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:55 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;149944 wrote:
Call the moderators or **** off.


Since you are so willing to act rude and type long rants but can't be bothered to click the report post button, I've done it for you. You're welcome.
 
ughaibu
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:00 am
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;149952 wrote:
Since you are so willing to act rude and type long rants
Bullshit! Quote even one post, authored by me, that could be interpreted as constituting a long rant.
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:04 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;149953 wrote:
Bullshit! Quote even one post, authored by me, that could be interpreted as constituting a long rant.


Even a typing a sentence takes longer than clicking a button. You remind me of my 5th grade teacher. When asked what page we were currently on, instead of saying something simple like "237" she would give a long speech about how if we were listening then we would know what page we were on. The fact that you're still arguing about this instead of moving on is just adding to the absurdity.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:06 am
@Night Ripper,
Sigh!...............
 
ughaibu
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:10 am
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;149956 wrote:
Even a typing a sentence takes longer than clicking a button. You remind me of my 5th grade teacher. When asked what page we were currently on, instead of saying something simple like "237" she would give a long speech about how if we were listening then we would know what page we were on. The fact that you're still arguing about this instead of moving on is just adding to the absurdity.
You exemplify, on this occasion, the depth of idiocy. Nobody could more constructively derail a thread than you have, and you have derailed it by mooting a derail.
I'm not responding to this crap anymore, deal with it your own way.
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:11 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;149961 wrote:
You exemplify, on this occasion, the depth of idiocy. Nobody could more constructively derail a thread than you have, and you have derailed it by mooting a derail.
I'm not responding to this crap anymore, deal with it your own way.


I've derailed your derail. That was my goal. Now I'm free to get it back on topic. How have I come out bad in this in any way? I haven't. Goodbye.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:13 am
@Night Ripper,
Sigh!..........................
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:17 am
@Night Ripper,
Quote:
Causal (or nomological) determinism is the thesis that future events are necessitated by past and present events combined with the laws of nature. Such determinism is sometimes illustrated by the thought experiment of Laplace's demon. Imagine an entity that knows all facts about the past and the present, and knows all natural laws that govern the universe. Such an entity might be able to use this knowledge to foresee the future, down to the smallest detail.


Future events aren't necessitated by past and present events combined with the laws of nature. Therefore causal determinism is not a threat to freewill.
 
ughaibu
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:18 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;149965 wrote:
Sigh!..........................
Zelda, again? or. . . .
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:20 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;149968 wrote:
Zelda, again? or. . . .


No. Just general boredom with this thread. Zelda is just fine, thank you for asking.
 
ughaibu
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:28 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;149972 wrote:
No. Just general boredom with this thread. Zelda is just fine, thank you for asking.
Okay, give her my regards, and explain to her why it is that they're pertinent to the thread.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 10:31 am
@ughaibu,
ughaibu;149975 wrote:
Okay, give her my regards, and explain to her why it is that they're pertinent to the thread.


I am afraid she'll be bored by that too. She is a flighty little thing.
 
Zetherin
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 11:22 am
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper wrote:
That was my goal. Now I'm free to get it back on topic.


What more did you wish to discuss?
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 12:10 pm
@Zetherin,
Zetherin;149998 wrote:
What more did you wish to discuss?


Quote:
Causal (or nomological) determinism is the thesis that future events are necessitated by past and present events combined with the laws of nature. Such determinism is sometimes illustrated by the thought experiment of Laplace's demon. Imagine an entity that knows all facts about the past and the present, and knows all natural laws that govern the universe. Such an entity might be able to use this knowledge to foresee the future, down to the smallest detail.


Future events aren't necessitated by past and present events combined with the laws of nature. Therefore causal determinism is not a threat to freewill.
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 12:17 pm
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;150004 wrote:
Future events aren't necessitated by past and present events combined with the laws of nature. Therefore causal determinism is not a threat to freewill.


Do you, or do you not believe in emerging properties ?
...if you do, then you have a problem on how to explain them...
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 03:21 pm
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;150004 wrote:
Future events aren't necessitated by past and present events combined with the laws of nature. Therefore causal determinism is not a threat to freewill.


That is what is called a non-sequitur, and your premise is false if you mean by "necessitated", physically necessitated. But, I'll give you this, your conclusion is true, anyway. You are batting 300. Not bad for a rookie.
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 03:34 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;150031 wrote:
That is what is called a non-sequitur, and your premise is false if you mean by "necessitated", physically necessitated. But, I'll give you this, your conclusion is true, anyway. You are batting 300. Not bad for a rookie.


When I say "necessitated" without qualification, it implies any kind of necessity. Just like when I say "car", I don't mean "only 2-door cars".
 
 

 
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