I am not a believer as some one thought but an agnostic.I try to be logical and take everything to its logical conclusion.The proposal as i have believed is that every event has a cause and nothing happens independently of another event.We are and our actions are the eventual outcome of previous events.Its therefor without doubt returns us to that first event the BB.It means that everything that ever was and ever shall be is because of that one event.Is there any objections????

Belief in causes is a form of dogmatism. There is no evidence for determinism but there is also no evidence that we cause anything nor that anything is caused at all for that matter. The expression "correlation does not imply causation" is correct but the problem is that all we ever see are correlations. We do not see causes. There is no evidence for such things.

That's not an argument. That's an assertion.

All that's been established is that it's useful to believe we have free will.

I know it isn't an argument. I was replying to your assertion that we cannot say that free will is true. Why can't I if it is true?

But I might say that if believing we have free will is useful (and I really don't see why you say that) then a good explanation for why it is useful (if it is) is that it is true.

I am confused on your view , do you believe in free will or the view that its good that we think we have free will?

If you assert something as being true when that hasn't been established, it's a baseless assertion.



It can also be useful to believe something false. Being useful doesn't signal truth.

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I experience that my actions often follow my intentions to perform said actions. I am ignorant of anything beyond that. There is no evidence for determinism or causes. The belief that anything is caused by me or caused at all, is irrational.

Are you a politician..pretty damned good at not answering..Do you believe in free will? if not why not?.we will get there...

I'm trying to answer your question but you're not being very specific. It depends how you define free will. If you mean my "actions often follow my intentions to perform said actions" then yes I believe that because I experience it. If you mean something else then tell me and I'll tell you if I believe it.

The ability to decide without the decision being predetermined.

The ability to decide without the decision being predetermined.

There is no evidence that anything is predetermined.

I never said i believe in predetermined actions, i was describing the definition for the opposition to free will.I dont think that we can say everything is determined by other acts.It might be that the outcome is written but not the cause.Many say ,what will be, destroys your ability for free will, i say you will make a certain decision but it will be freely made, but not by predetermined events.

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I think you know the question but are determined not to answer.You have not answered a direct question once.This is about views not evidence.

I've answered all of your questions. I'm not sure why my answers are not a satisfactory for you. My views are based on evidence. If there is no evidence that my choices are predetermined then I don't believe they are predetermined.

So you believe in free will,thanks

That's not what i said but thanks for your admission to believing in free will.

If that's not what you said then I didn't admit to believing in free will. I don't believe my choices are predetermined. If that's how you define what it takes to believe in free will then I believe in free will. Yet, you are denying that's what you said. So, we are back to where we started. How do you define belief in free will? Answer that and I can tell you if I believe it.

You know what i said and you agreed to the idea and confirmed your belief.If you want to elaborate be my guest but i aint playing snow balls when it aint snowing.

It seems you have no intention of clarifying your statements. I'd just like to say that I don't think it's fair to ask someone if they believe in something while refusing to define what you're asking if they believe in. It's also unfair to accuse them of professing belief in something that you haven't defined properly, either. I'm not affirming or denying anything yet because I still don't know what's being discussed. I thought we were talking about belief in predetermined choices but it seems I was wrong.