Again, posthumans will probably not instigate violence against humans. If armed conflict breaks out at all (that's a big "if"), I would imagine humans would be more likely to have started it.

Well ... I can see some ways that accelerating developments in technology could threaten ordinary humans. Out of all the possibilities discussed by people like Hugo de Garis and Nick Bostrom, two come to mind most strongly:

• Posthumans exist in small enough numbers to feel a potential threat from humans, yet large enough to threaten humans. Armed conflict could break out.
  
• Posthumans go all Robespierre on humans and just wipe them out in disgust.
  

The first, I think is more likely than the second, but both can be preempted very easily if everyone is on the same boat.

And, remember, a huge rift between posthumans and regular humans could lead to conflict between the two sides. That's a very strong reason to elect for brain modification in itself.

Why is it so upsetting?

Do you disagree with neural modification to cure ailments?

Im actually against all forms of oaths, no one can foresee how things will turn out.

Actually, you started that bit of the discussion =)

I think it goes like this: Will is something that can be changed, so if your only reason is will, people hope that if they keep pestering you your will is change =)

Don't tell me! You have it figured out! God, help us. :detective:

William

Except that they are

No my idea of a party is having a better life than we do now.

Again, posthumans will probably not instigate violence against humans. If armed conflict breaks out at all (that's a big "if"), I would imagine humans would be more likely to have started it.



Why is it so upsetting?



Do you disagree with neural modification to cure ailments?



I've said it before and I'll say it again:



But I'm glad to see you aren't insisting neural modification is a comic book fantasy anymore. You see it is becoming a reality. So, now, what do you have besides smears against transhumanists?

Oh? Except scientist dont even know what the part of the brain that we dont use is for.

What has this picture got to do wiht the thread?

And which part is that?



It suggests that some users may have been under the influence of a certain mild euphoriant while they were posting.

I stand corrected Od, the 10 per cent is a myth, thanks. However, i do stand by that scientists dont know enough to start messing and it i think because that you could mess the brain up real bad because you dont know enough,http://www.edge.org/documents/day/day_hauser.htmlof

And which members were supposed to be stoned when posting and how can you tell?

If you dont know how it all works, how can you possibly know/account for everything when you start doing your improvements.

They are "messing with it", successfully: they clearly know enough.



I don't need to name them but their behavior suggested that they might have been stoned.

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We know enough to perform implants on willing test subjects.

I'm sure doctors messed with other organs before they were fully understood. That's just the way things have to be.

Are you sure? They maybe going ahead but that doesn't mean they know enough, my link proves that, how do you know what the long term affects are. Im all for helping people but this seems very frankenstein to me especially when it concerns changing peoples personality not the suggested medical improvements, that's where i draw the line, for instance, erradicating homosexuality. Ok so if they're successful, you agree that they dont know everything such as how the brain computes as suggested by the link i provided, so how can they possibly know all of the possible outcomes of their improvements, for instance, the long term affects.
As for the stoned members, can we please refrain from put downs, this is interesting stuff, im not directing that at you Od.

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Hey Od, do you think they could rid the addiction gene/thing, im trying to quit smoking!!!

Yes, that could be possible

Also, why would any sensible person want to eliminate homosexuality

Long-term effects of any medical treatment always need to be studied and the bugs worked out

Exactly you maybe a sensible, albeit aspiring scientist, but some will wnat to eradicate it.

Evidence that the bugs worked out please.

They're dumb and the law should restrain them



Hundreds of years of history of all surgical procedures ever devised?

This time it's simply a different organ

Doesn't prove anything, the brain is different from the other organs, that's the point, you can't compare it to the other organs

Don't tell me! You have it figured out! God, help us. :detective:

William