@doc phil,
doc wrote:The way it is, is not the way it has to be.
It can improve, but it cant be perfect.
ddancom wrote:My view is this: for sustainable, non-momentary social equality to exist, there must a complete lack of conflict within society. Put simply, there must never be a loser in any social interaction.
That level of equality sounds scary and hive-mind requiring, I think that "nobody starving to death" is enough
Well, maybe, but since we are eons of work away from that I suppose we can keep it like this for now
Caroline wrote:tell me manored if you had control over the means of production would you make it a conflict or would you seek fairtrade, myself i would fall into the latter unfortunately i dont get to make that decision unless i become a politicion or something, what can we do to veto this cruel way of production, im heading into marxism,who predicted man would come together and rise against and overcome governments however his theory fails in that man has become alienated and cannot come together, no doubt the government is grateful for that.
Well having total control is unrealistic, but if I had, I would create an independent government of the existing ones (what they could do about it winhout production?) and create some sort of socialist state, then spread about massively ideas themed at putting the whole before the individual and the reasons to do so, then try to make myself immortal because the main problem of leaders is that they die
ddancom wrote:A balance that measures nothing is altogether useless. You neglect what must lie on each end of the scale -- that which must be compared: concepts.
Dont try to argue with MJA, he will pretend he didnt listen any good points you might have made and say the same thing again in a different way.