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Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 09:19 am
I recently was run through a brain wash attempt of saying equality over and over again. I was just wondering what others views of what equality really is, and is it beneficial or harmful?
 
boagie
 
Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 10:15 am
@savagemonk,
savagemonk wrote:
I recently was run through a brain wash attempt of saying equality over and over again. I was just wondering what others views of what equality really is, and is it beneficial or harmful?


Saveagemonk,Smile

Well I do not think there is equality of anything acrosss the board, it only arises due to comparison and through comparision there are always going to be a wide variety or degrees of a given quality. It is a bit like mean time or mean temperature, not often dead on but a method of measurement. That said, there needs to be established in the human realm a basic circumference of equal treatment, where there is an equal standard in providing the necessities of life, considered a human right reguardless of the level of virtues and/or skills one possesses, equal rights to the neccesities of life.

Is equality beneficial or harmful, it is a subjective evalutation, but it is in everyones best interest to belong to a caring community which provides the neccessities of life for all its citizens, not just those whom have the skills to manipulated the system to their greater benefit. This is the basic contract that society has with the individual, when it is broken, as when society allows the homeless to die hungry in the cold, then, the contract is broken, society has broken the contract and the homeless owe no allegiance to the contract, to the society. Then any means neccessary to survive is justified for the individual.
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 10:36 am
@boagie,
boagie wrote:
Saveagemonk,Smile

Well I do not think there is equality of anything acrosss the board, it only arises due to comparison and through comparision there are always going to be a wide variety or degrees of a given quality. It is a bit like mean time or mean temperature, not often dead on but a method of measurement. That said, there needs to be established in the human realm a basic circumference of equal treatment, where there is an equal standard in providing the necessities of life, considered a human right reguardless of the level of virtues and/or skills one possesses, equal rights to the neccesities of life. Is equality beneficial or harmful, it is a subjective evalutation, but it is in everyones best interest to belong to a caring community which provides the neccessities of life for all its citizens, not just those whom have the skills to manipulated the system to their greater benefit.


Well said my friend. I was along those lines as well. It seems that the only way to actually have equality is to have acceptance of each others differences. As soon as you judge someone the equal measurement is lost. We have equal right to the perseverance of life. But not everyone has the same abilities as one another. So in that regard we can never be equal. But no one is better than anyone else just skilled in different areas. So the only actual way to be equal is to realize that we are different and just as important, and worth just as much as the other regardless of ones capabilities or downfalls.

I think that made sense. Laughing
 
Cyber Abyss
 
Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 05:42 pm
@savagemonk,
equality is a lie.
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:10 pm
@Cyber Abyss,
Cyber Abyss wrote:
equality is a lie.
You are probably right. But then it brings that issue of who is higher on the pole than others?
 
manored
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 10:07 am
@savagemonk,
savagemonk wrote:
I recently was run through a brain wash attempt of saying equality over and over again. I was just wondering what others views of what equality really is, and is it beneficial or harmful?
Equality is the act of being equal, the word has no meaning by itself.
 
MJA
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 10:12 am
@manored,
Look what I found:


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MJA
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 10:50 am
@manored,
manored wrote:
Equality is the act of being equal, the word has no meaning by itself.
aside from the word being only a reference point to the actual event. How would you reach equality if you have to measure and judge in order to determine it. What I got out of all of this is that equality is never present. We are always advancing and degrading at different rates. So in order to be concidered eaqual we would have to be still. And it has been theorized that mass/matter what have you is in constant motion so life/existance would be in constant motion as well. There for equality is merely a concept of ones ego to feel that the are a good person.

I suppose I am just racking my brain. Didn't intend for that to sound like a factual statement. :a-thought:
 
manored
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 02:50 pm
@savagemonk,
I didnt understood what you meant by "reach equality". Reach equality with what?

But, indeed, existence cannot be made out of one thing, you need at least 2 for anything to happen.
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 02:56 pm
@manored,
manored wrote:
I didnt understood what you meant by "reach equality". Reach equality with what?

But, indeed, existence cannot be made out of one thing, you need at least 2 for anything to happen.

From a general statement equality does not exist at the this time. But people believe that it can exist. So with equality being or destination or goal if you will, we must reach it.

speaking hypothetically. I don't see it as a goal of mine. It is just easier for me to explain in first person. Smile
 
proV
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 03:24 pm
@savagemonk,
savagemonk wrote:
I recently was run through a brain wash attempt of saying equality over and over again. I was just wondering what others views of what equality really is, and is it beneficial or harmful?


Equality just is. (that is not the answer you seek, I know) :bigsmile:

Or perhaps this would help:

Isolated system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no other isolated system known except perhaps the universe. So there is no point in placing the barrier where in fact there is none.
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 03:52 pm
@proV,
proV wrote:
Equality just is. (that is not the answer you seek, I know) :bigsmile:

Or perhaps this would help:

Isolated system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no other isolated system known except perhaps the universe. So there is no point in placing the barrier where in fact there is none.


I have learned many times that the truth hurts, and most of the time is not what you want to hear.

I am going to have to read more on Isolated systems. That is an area that I am not familiar with. But from what I understand, it is stating that. It is merely the perception of 2. That all substances are of the same system. But are perceived as individuals. Until a commonality is reached or observed?
 
manored
 
Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 09:43 am
@savagemonk,
savagemonk wrote:
From a general statement equality does not exist at the this time. But people believe that it can exist. So with equality being or destination or goal if you will, we must reach it.

speaking hypothetically. I don't see it as a goal of mine. It is just easier for me to explain in first person. Smile
I think its a vague goal though, and, for me, a vague goal is an inapropiate one Smile
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 10:20 am
@manored,
manored wrote:
I think its a vague goal though, and, for me, a vague goal is an inapropiate one Smile

A vague goal is better than no goal I suppose. At least they are moving somewhere and not jamming up human evolution lol
 
manored
 
Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 12:23 pm
@savagemonk,
savagemonk wrote:
A vague goal is better than no goal I suppose. At least they are moving somewhere and not jamming up human evolution lol
Not really. Is it easier to run through a group of people sitting down going nowhere or to run through a group of people running ever wich way? Smile

Human biologic evolution was jammed long ago with the invention of medicine. Lets hope all this knowledge we are stockpiling can be called psychologic evolution then Smile
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 01:22 pm
@manored,
manored wrote:
Not really. Is it easier to run through a group of people sitting down going nowhere or to run through a group of people running ever wich way? Smile

Human biologic evolution was jammed long ago with the invention of medicine. Lets hope all this knowledge we are stockpiling can be called psychologic evolution then Smile

lolololololol too true!
 
tyciol
 
Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 01:58 am
@savagemonk,
Equality has ups and downs. Treating people as equal until we have data to indicate otherwise is fine. There are certain things, like democratic equality, which have some value in that, even though people are obviously not equal (lot of sheep voters), it puts a pressure on intelligent people to try and make the stupid more intelligent so they'll make more informed voting choices.

Forced equality or like punishing people who observe inequalities or communisms, those are all bad in my book.
 
Joe
 
Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 03:43 am
@tyciol,
Equality seems to be one of those ever expanding theories. If you issue it within a certain situation, it has to apply itself so on and so on, to hold true.

That being said, Its a Utopian or perhaps more of a amazingly difficult concept to understand. I disagree that equality doesn't exist as a thought and action. it happens. I hope for others to have what I have and hold important and beneficial to my identity, and so my actions represent this sometimes.

Equality is subject to contrast though. It is a human train of thought, much like Superiority is. If I had to focus on why Equality doesn't spread as far as the theory of its own definition, I would say the ego. It cant be done, in a definition sense. Of course without specifically identifying what lines are to be drawn under Ego and Equality, is the question of which is more beneficial. That's the questioning and processing we go through.
Again I think Equality is just as tangent as Superiority. its all about the balance of ego. That is a deep cave.
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 09:58 am
@Joe,
Joe wrote:
Equality seems to be one of those ever expanding theories. If you issue it within a certain situation, it has to apply itself so on and so on, to hold true.

That being said, Its a Utopian or perhaps more of a amazingly difficult concept to understand. I disagree that equality doesn't exist as a thought and action. it happens. I hope for others to have what I have and hold important and beneficial to my identity, and so my actions represent this sometimes.

Equality is subject to contrast though. It is a human train of thought, much like Superiority is. If I had to focus on why Equality doesn't spread as far as the theory of its own definition, I would say the ego. It cant be done, in a definition sense. Of course without specifically identifying what lines are to be drawn under Ego and Equality, is the question of which is more beneficial. That's the questioning and processing we go through.
Again I think Equality is just as tangent as Superiority. its all about the balance of ego. That is a deep cave.


I agree with your statement. But the likelihood of humans dropping their ego's is to optimistic for me. Although everyone is equal in their rights as human beings. Meaning the right to live the right to strive for a better life. People will always see them selves as better than one another. Even in a community such as this forum there are signs of superiority.

There will always be a separation of classes in humanity. Either financially, spiritually or intellectually. And what ever class one falls in will see that class as the superior to any other. There for it is going to be just about impossible to have equality as a main conscious. All we can do as individuals is to treat others as equals and hope it catches on.
 
manored
 
Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 01:49 pm
@savagemonk,
Or... we can plug everone's brains into everone's brains Smile I dont think a hive mind can discriminate a part of itself.
 
 

 
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