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Community is morality..
Then he said jews were immoral he obviously meant the vital part of the society that could have done something about it, no need to take this to the personal side.
This is fascist talk,
What if the community is mislead?, and there appears to be hate of the Jews "Yes I believe Jews were generally immoral" (something along those lines anyways). :eek:
You are willing to present the behaviour of Jews, yet you must understand it would be no different an outcome with other human beings too. Ofcourse this is obvious so nevermind, however, to hate the Jews as if categorizing the people to hate because they are Jews is a problem.
What ever one can say about the Jews in the country of Israel, no one can say they are immoral...As human beings they hardly measure up
Ok, so what are we talking about? Folks, this is getting off topic a little.
We may consider opening up a discussion on the morality or immorality of the Jews if that's the discussion you all want to carry on with.
You should all take this personally just because you're humans. And don't tell me what I should and should not take personally; I'm sorry, but I've been around the living history of this event enough that I feel entitled to take offense at this.
It may have been more correct to say demoralized that immoral; because while many tend to look at Jews, ...
Taking offense at things is stupid: he is expressing his thoughts and therefore increasing your knowledge about him, not bending the world itself with his words.
And morals are a community thing cause you need some kind of consensus about what is moral and what is not to hold moral values.
I suppose maybe we could speculate on Hitler, and his compassion towards human beings? It seems an awkward assertion to say he had no compassion for human beings otherwise it would be ideal to in the end(even though there is no way to prove this) get rid of the whole human race.
He just had no compassion for his past perhaps, for himself? I mean, he didn't have blonde hair, or blue eyes, yet that was his ideal right?
Am I the only one who sees this as a contradiction?
He is not bending his words to fit the world but morality is community... So, by your words, he is being immoral by not bending his words to match the community which he is in... Just thought I would point that out.
I said "not bending the world with his words" and I meant it literally Note that the l is on the first word.
Nuff said. The Nazis thought the exact same thing.
Thanks for your point of view, Fido.
Fido, you made some good points in this post and yet seemed to remove your points just as avidly as you made them.
I am not sure what history you have but I would like to say that your views on the Jewish people are not only due, ONLY, to your personal experience but also somewhat ignorant.
Example: as you sit here and say that many Jews stabbed others in the back, you also forget what occurred in the death camps with the Jews which stuck together and tried to fight the tyranny. The ones who faced death together and tried to resist. A good majority of the Jews were not this immoral/demoralized traitor which you would portray them to be. Not even half... Not even a quarter.
I love your enthusiasm for making a point and your eloquence is commendable but your ignorance (and I do not mean this as an insult) is your downfall. This judgment that you are making is unfounded and certainly not due to your experience of the times. You were not there and do not know the whole story.
Am I the only one who sees this as a contradiction?
He is not bending his words to fit the world but morality is community... So, by your words, he is being immoral by not bending his words to match the community which he is in... Just thought I would point that out.
To another point... This thread has been over for quite some time. It has turned into a thread on morality and religion. If you will all take notice of the philosophy forums, we have places for each of those. I see no reason for this thread to continue as the main idea has long since been overlooked. If you would like to continue this heated debate, I suggest taking it up in a more appropriate forum.
They defend themselves... Considering their behavior with the Nazis; that at least is moral
The Nazis thought they did not measure up to humanity on the basis of genes and I do not believe they measure up because they think they are better, and end up acting worse