You keep repeating your claims about this intelligent designer but refuse to be questioned on it.Why are ufos to be scorned but your theories are to be marvelled, are you the new prophet we have waited so long for? Il ask you again is your creator benevolent

It sounds as though Alan has traveled many of the same paths I myself have, through religious persuasions, tossing aside that bondage to seek something else but carrying some of that baggage with you until you are able to completely relieve yourself of it all.

Xris,

I cannot speak for Alan, but after reading some of his writing, and understanding the human the way I do, as well as the preconceptions we are born into, and bombarded with on a daily basis, it is rational to recognize that we are all on a learning curve that will travel through various ideologies, IF we are actually travelling. If one is simply sitting on what he believes is the absolute truth and needs to seek no further, than of course that would not be a learning curve, that would be a hole.

It sounds as though Alan has traveled many of the same paths I myself have, through religious persuasions, tossing aside that bondage to seek something else but carrying some of that baggage with you until you are able to completely relieve yourself of it all.

I am not sure why you keep suggesting that we do not want to answer to questions regarding the existence of a Designer and why we think that one exists, because that is what we have been doing here.

What you are suggesting however is that if one exists that we should be able to describe it. And than you use our inability to describe the Creator of the universe as your reason not to accept that option. What I am saying is that is not an excuse to dismiss it.

Just because you cannot describe the builder of the Taj Mahal does not mean that one does not exist.

With regard to extraterrestrial life, I think it is the hgihest form of idiocy to think that we are the only life forms in the universe. the simple fact that the human can exist is more than credible evidence for the possibility of other life out there.

To dismiss that is akin to believing that trees exist, but there couldnt possibly be such a thing as a flower.

So you think you are the only ones who have pondered on a creator or a force of creation? I have probably thought more about it than the two of together.I think the more you ponder the more you will find its not in our capability to envisage a creator.You cant just say oh there must be one because of this or that you have to describe this force, it has to fit the image you have discovered.In my opinion if there is one his is so well hidden you have no chance of finding it only possibly admiring the result.Admire the view but its not like a building that demands a builder.

xris



You make a claim that you cannot substantiate ( "I think I have probably thought it than the two of you together")

I reject this statement with the disdain it deserves. How could a limited being ever comprehend an infinite intellect and mind

Oh!! If you have where can I find your writings from these deep pondering of yours?,


I have written many articles and essays which bring to life my beliefs about god, existence, science and physics etc etc.

You are trying your utter best to elevate yourself above others and trying to show how clever you are and how stupid we are .

And I believe if you have really thought and meditated on the possibility of gods existence, you were trying to find him and got disillusioned because he would not manifest himself to you

Back to intelligent design, If you were walking in a fed of flowers thousands of years ago and found a watch, you would know there was a designer and Creator of this mind blowing object.

But the universe and all that is in the universe is unimaginably complex and knife edgily held together by fundamental constants. But you would have us believe that this awesome almost infinitely complex universe had no mind and no builder, but you can see a designer in a silly watch

The space shuttle is possibly the most complex machine ever made by humans, but when you compare it to a cockroach it is unimaginably simple

A cockroach can detect the movement of a single hydrogen atom

God is life the space shuttle is dead

hmmmm, let me try to reach you this way Xris,

If you were born in a cave and alone with no other human life to share, and you were trapped in the cave because its entrance was too high for you to climb out. Yet you could see the light coming in from outside and you could hear the sounds from outside.

Now lets say that there was a person who walked by that cave everyday whistling a tune and had no idea you were there. And each time he waled by you could see his shadow on the cave wall as he passed by.

There is certain evidence for you to believe that this person exists, but you have never seen him and know nothing about him.

All you know is the shadow he casts and the whistle he makes.

Why should you deny his existence just because you cannot produce his personal physical presence for proof?

Oh contra Mon Ami it was the who posed that you had the answers i was not privy to...Manifest to you and not I.. so be so pretty please pray tell me his countenance or describe him so.. Bring forth your evidence or be forever still..

You hear the wind and you do not wonder where it comes from?

You hear the wind and you do not wonder where it comes from?

XRIS



Look at a mirror , remember a new born baby cry, look out at the unimaginable beautiful universe

Look into the eyes of your mother and father and see their souls reflecting back at you.

Look into the eyes and the beauty of a child, a little girl hopping in the sun and tell me all this is just some cruel mistake of blind nature

If you really do this then you have reached out and touched the face of God :bigsmile:

Ive read that thousands of poor souls died because of an underground earthquake caused a tidal wave ,i hear every day a thousand children die because a mosquito has bitten them. I see no benevolent god..do you?

we shoulod not try to attribute character to a character we know nothing about.

All we know of the creator is that it exists. All the religious mumbo jumbo that has distorted the truth about it, does not mean that it does not exist.

But to dismiss it just because religion made a mess of it is not the answer.

And to try to judge it by our standards is also as bad as the religious ones who did the same thing.

I think Alan has a good sense of how to regard the Creator.

we shoulod not try to attribute character to a character we know nothing about.

All we know of the creator is that it exists. All the religious mumbo jumbo that has distorted the truth about it, does not mean that it does not exist.

But to dismiss it just because religion made a mess of it is not the answer.

And to try to judge it by our standards is also as bad as the religious ones who did the same thing.