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I shall ignore that post that is not worthy of report or reason. Im sure he has his problems, that I could never resolve. I am not in the habit of referring to scriptures, there are many for those interested to research, the web is stuffed full of them. Choose any one link on Islamic scriptures and it shows a bias. I am clever enough to paste and post, what would that prove? We are all experts in this web of information.
One imam will tell you Islam is peaceful faith but another will demand jihad. Can we as kaffirs be knowledgeable enough to dispute one or the other? I know enough that they dont agree and this is or should be our concern. If they can not decide, then we must believe there is a danger that Islam is prepared to commit violent Jihad to advance its cause.
The true Belief is belief of self-renunciation and Love. God of Christians demands "to sacrifice the unique son". "Enemies of the person - its relatives". The Christianity is religion of each immortal person. It is SPIRIT religion.
The false religion revenges for the killed sons. Revenges for murders of fathers and ancestors. It is FLESH religion. Islam is religion of "ancestors". It is FLESH religion.
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One imam will tell you Islam is peaceful faith but another will demand jihad. Can we as kaffirs be knowledgeable enough to dispute one or the other? I know enough that they dont agree and this is or should be our concern. If they can not decide, then we must believe there is a danger that Islam is prepared to commit violent Jihad to advance its cause.
Don't speak about liberal values. Islamic fanatics hate - not "liberalism", they hate Christians (all faiths), atheists, and Buddhists ("pagans"). You can be whom want - the conservative, the liberal, the communist, the nazi. If you - not the Moslem - you enemy. If you accept Islam, you will be the person of second grade, because you not Arab (in islamic world order).
Wahhabists is not against liberalism. They against the SIN.
("Freedom is reason of sin ").
Don't speak about liberal values. Islamic fanatics hate - not "liberalism", they hate Christians (all faiths), atheists, and Buddhists ("pagans"). You can be whom want - the conservative, the liberal, the communist, the nazi. If you - not the Moslem - you enemy. If you accept Islam, you will be the person of second grade, because you not Arab (in islamic world order).
I dont think we blame the majority of Muslims. Those I have met are more intent on bringing their families up and keeping their heads down. I dont fear them but I'm aware of the dangers. The wahhabists are intent on a worldly Islamic community, that is there long term agenda. Jihad, peaceful jihad, has to be performed by all Muslims , its an essential commitment. Just show interest in Islam with a Muslim and see the reaction.
Its not just Islam, its all religions that try to impose its views and values on the secular society. Islam is here with us and I can see the demands arising from their presence. Sharia is being used without authority and asking for official approval. Many muslims deplore this move, they moved away from its injustice, now they see it following them. We cant shy away from these questions and these extremists taking advantage of disadvantaged young muslims.
I dont think we blame the majority of Muslims. Those I have met are more intent on bringing their families up and keeping their heads down. I dont fear them but I'm aware of the dangers. The wahhabists are intent on a worldly Islamic community, that is there long term agenda. Jihad, peaceful jihad, has to be performed by all Muslims , its an essential commitment. Just show interest in Islam with a Muslim and see the reaction.
Its not just Islam, its all religions that try to impose its views and values on the secular society. Islam is here with us and I can see the demands arising from their presence. Sharia is being used without authority and asking for official approval. Many muslims deplore this move, they moved away from its injustice, now they see it following them. We cant shy away from these questions and these extremists taking advantage of disadvantaged young muslims.
Wahhabists is not against liberalism. They against the SIN.
("Freedom is reason of sin ").
Can we be confident that the alleged 'moderate muslims' you met will prevent the introduction of sharia (at least partial) in the Constitution (if muslims ever become majoritary in non muslim lands, with islam more or less like today)? I do not deny that there may be some real moderates among them but let's be honest they are a minority, existing evidence points that at that time they will have to quietly 'hide' deep down their own conscience (as probably some do currently in the muslim dominated world). Finally even if real democracy will be kept in a first phase (unlikely anyway) the example of Turkey show us plenty that the islamist* pressure will be huge: given that probably at that time the influence of USA and western Europe as it is today (that's what keep the turkish democracy still alive, at limit) will be seriously weakened among muslims a rapid switch at least to a partial sharia-ization looks very probable. No one has the intention to discriminate people, they must benefit of all rights in accordance with modern values, but the ideology of islam is not like that of the other religions (no other religion has a 'built-in' political program mandatory to be put in practice sooner or later) and deserve the strongest criticism possible. Falling into the trap of postmodernist political correctness (by assuming that islam is just like the other religions) can only ease islamization; appeasement of islam is no solution on long term, unfortunately the unreformed islam will never be a 'melting pot' factor.
*islamists are not only those who want the implementation of the whole sharia but all those who want to introduce at least parts of sharia in the Constitution (a vast majority of muslims unfortunately)
I dont think your fears are unfounded but we are considered as fear mongers, islamophobic and racially motivated. Many who share our fears and are moderate, keep quite for fear of being branded with the idea that they represent an extremist right wing attitude. Moderate muslims have not the balls to stand up and tell the extremist to shut up. There are sharia courts for criminal offences in london now, why should we tolerate this attack on our constitution our legal system? If they want sharia go to a country that exerts that legal frame work.
This would be a bigoted thing to say, but only if Sharia could fit in with our Constitution and our mores. But it obviously cannot be.
Many who share our fears and are moderate, keep quite for fear of being branded with the idea that they represent an extremist right wing attitude. Moderate muslims have not the balls to stand up and tell the extremist to shut up. There are sharia courts for criminal offences in london now, why should we tolerate this attack on our constitution our legal system? If they want sharia go to a country that exerts that legal frame work.