The silliness of Christianity

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mark noble
 
Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 03:58 pm
@Khethil,
Khethil;162209 wrote:
If I were to let loose with all I think is silly in Christianity (or religion in general), I'd offend a good portion of those very people I want very much to cordially and politely correspond with. I have my feelings and beliefs, as do they; I'm not going to change their mind, and if I did, I might very well be doing a disservice to the individual.

In such a structure, to my mind, no good can come from telling someone that their most innermost, personal and intimate beliefs are foolish (even if I believe this to be the absolute, most worthy truth of all) - this, from some lofty place of presumed dispassion. Where we disagree, let's acknowledge that, but I fear that much of our culture has degraded civility and respect. Not all fur that can fly should.

Respect is best shown - and best appreciated - in those very cases where its often most difficult to show.

Thanks


Hello Khethil,

I agree that interfering with other's faiths is both ruthless and pointless.

Nevertheless, the question of 'The flood' has been raised, and I feel the need to explain that the geological fact of the matter is - No global flood exists in earth's history. What is being debated here is whether God's promise to never repeat the biblical flood is ambiguously founded.

God has promised through covenant to the jewish nation to utterly destroy all but them when the messiah returns. So unless you are jewish by birth, you've had it - flood or not.
Christ cannot (in jewish eyes) be the true messiah because, obviously, the prophesised events haven't taken place. This discussion is about the silliness of christianity, and not the silliness of judeaism. Has anyone noticed this?

Thankyou and good luck with that.

Mark...
 
onetwopi
 
Reply Sun 9 May, 2010 11:31 pm
@mark noble,
Hello again.

I agree with the absence of divine intervention, but the 'Pantera' rape of Mary always seems to appear when I consider the genuine conception. The lineage in Luke is clearly the adopted lineage from husband to wife, I am aware of that - I just wanted to see if others were.

Do you believe that Judas betrayed, or was subject to the requirements imposed upon him by, Christ? I have literature that suggests he lived long after the event with the Essenes at Qumran, and died on route to ,or at Massada?

Thank you, and may all your fruits flourish.

Mark...[/QUOTE]

Hi Mark - I'm having trouble keeping up with this thread apparently -- it moves very quickly on me.

I have done little study of Judas in particular but would be interested in the literature you have read. Largely I assume that the story of Judas was told largely to fulfill prophesy and has little basis in fact. I really doubt the authorities needed a dude to kiss Jesus in order to figure out their target.
 
mark noble
 
Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 04:41 am
@onetwopi,
I have done little study of Judas in particular but would be interested in the literature you have read. Largely I assume that the story of Judas was told largely to fulfill prophesy and has little basis in fact. I really doubt the authorities needed a dude to kiss Jesus in order to figure out their target.[/QUOTE]

Hi Mike,

It's an exhaustive area to delve deeply into - It originates with the current misuse of the word "Betray". The actual wordage in the original Greek form ("Strong's Exhaustive Concordance") could mean a variety of things, when manipulatively translated by early zealots - The most likely translation is "served" impying that Jesus forewarned the apostles that who He dipped his bread with at the "Last Supper" would be the one to turn him in. He choose Judas out of trust!

Try reading the gospel of Judas, it may not be authentic, but who knows what is? Next time I climb into my attic I'll get the ISBN No. for you.

Thankyou Mike.

Mark
 
manored
 
Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 09:35 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;162203 wrote:
I'm not sure I can get the excat meaning, but I think you say God promised NEVER to annihalate us in any way, which I would disagree with.
No, this is not what I meant.

God promised to never annihilate us with floods. But, considering there is a thousand different ways god may annihilate us, this promise seens pointless. I mean, whats the point of promising someone you wont inject toxins on then if you shot then in the head later?

mark noble;162221 wrote:

I agree that interfering with other's faiths is both ruthless and pointless.
I agree that we shouldnt interfere if we can help it, but sadly faith often interferes with those who have none. Actually I would say that those who have a religion interfere with those who dont more than those who dont interfere with those who have. And then there is someone calling you a murderer for taking part in an abortion, you cant help questioning their beliefs.

P.s: I know that some people without religions also oppose abortion, but some religions formally oppose it, such as the christian ones.
 
mark noble
 
Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:23 am
@manored,
manored;162414 wrote:
No, this is not what I meant.

God promised to never annihilate us with floods. But, considering there is a thousand different ways god may annihilate us, this promise seens pointless. I mean, whats the point of promising someone you wont inject toxins on then if you shot then in the head later?

I agree that we shouldnt interfere if we can help it, but sadly faith often interferes with those who have none. Actually I would say that those who have a religion interfere with those who dont more than those who dont interfere with those who have. And then there is someone calling you a murderer for taking part in an abortion, you cant help questioning their beliefs.

P.s: I know that some people without religions also oppose abortion, but some religions formally oppose it, such as the christian ones.


Hi Manored,

Interference should by kept to a minimum, unless prompted, of course.
That is why I find solace in this forum, with regard to the questions that herein arise.
I do not wish to interfere with other's faiths - merely identify the priciples thereof.

Thank you and fare well.

Mark...
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:39 am
@manored,
manored;162414 wrote:
No, this is not what I meant.

God promised to never annihilate us with floods. But, considering there is a thousand different ways god may annihilate us, this promise seens pointless. I mean, whats the point of promising someone you wont inject toxins on then if you shot then in the head later?
A flood will kill indiscriminately, at Judgemen Day you will be judged individualistic, thus each person will have an exclusive judgement, and not be judged collectivly, contrary the flood.
 
manored
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 07:34 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;162428 wrote:
A flood will kill indiscriminately, at Judgemen Day you will be judged individualistic, thus each person will have an exclusive judgement, and not be judged collectivly, contrary the flood.
This is not how its written on the bible, at least, not on the earth's side. It speaks of great disasters happening on earth before the point where god judges all. But, given, its not quite a total annihilation, if I remember well.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 08:09 am
@manored,
manored;162907 wrote:
This is not how its written on the bible, at least, not on the earth's side. It speaks of great disasters happening on earth before the point where god judges all. But, given, its not quite a total annihilation, if I remember well.
If it was a total annihalation, there wouldn't be anything left to judge.
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 02:43 pm
@Krumple,
I agree that a literal interpretation of the Bible is silly. But the Bible is a profound collection of books. And Christianity is a complex concept that includes not only crude superstition but great philosophers, musicians, painters, sculptors, architects, etc. The incarnation myth is something special, and if looked at the right way is the Exit from superstition and idolatry.
 
mark noble
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 02:55 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;163081 wrote:
I agree that a literal interpretation of the Bible is silly. But the Bible is a profound collection of books. And Christianity is a complex concept that includes not only crude superstition but great philosophers, musicians, painters, sculptors, architects, etc. The incarnation myth is something special, and if looked at the right way is the Exit from superstition and idolatry.


Hello Reconstrusto,

If, indeed, the revalation-annihilation takes place - There wont be anybody left to give it credit - Therefore is unprovable after the effect.
We each accept - that ultimately - all life on earth will conclude with the last existing lifeform dying out, but something that cannot be reflected upon has no basis in general discussion, or does it?

The books therein are fascinating, I agree - I learnt more about psychology from the Proverbs than in any modern textbook.

Thank you and fare well.

Mark...
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 03:41 pm
@mark noble,
mark noble;163090 wrote:
Hello Reconstrusto,

If, indeed, the revalation-annihilation takes place - There wont be anybody left to give it credit - Therefore is unprovable after the effect.
We each accept - that ultimately - all life on earth will conclude with the last existing lifeform dying out, but something that cannot be reflected upon has no basis in general discussion, or does it?

The books therein are fascinating, I agree - I learnt more about psychology from the Proverbs than in any modern textbook.

Thank you and fare well.

Mark...


I should probably make it clear that by Exit I mean that the incarnation myth can be interpreted as a form of humanism. For me, to oversimplify, man is "divine." But it's a complex issue, of course.

Yes, proverbs is a great book. The way I see it, psychology is metaphorical. All science is metaphorical, to some degree. And this diminishes the difference between literature and philosophy and science.

It seems to me that much of modern psychology hides its metaphoricty in Latin-inspired jargon.
 
MMP2506
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 04:51 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;163118 wrote:
I should probably make it clear that by Exit I mean that the incarnation myth can be interpreted as a form of humanism. For me, to oversimplify, man is "divine." But it's a complex issue, of course.

Yes, proverbs is a great book. The way I see it, psychology is metaphorical. All science is metaphorical, to some degree. And this diminishes the difference between literature and philosophy and science.

It seems to me that much of modern psychology hides its metaphoricty in Latin-inspired jargon.


All science is in attempt to make concrete a very abstract reality. In that regard art is attempting to do the same thing, but art allows for a level of truth that science can't deliver. Nothing can be revealed to anyone reading the Bible as a scientific journal, but by reading it as a piece of art, the essence of its stories are revealed. Art tells us much more about the medieval time period than reading the works of Galileo ever could.
 
manored
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 08:15 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;162928 wrote:
If it was a total annihalation, there wouldn't be anything left to judge.
There would be the souls =)
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 09:31 am
@manored,
manored;163402 wrote:
There would be the souls =)
If there's souls, then what was the idea of the flood?
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 02:10 pm
@MMP2506,
MMP2506;163141 wrote:
Art tells us much more about the medieval time period than reading the works of Galileo ever could.


I agree. Galileo was the seed of today, one might argue.
 
jack phil
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 02:36 pm
@Krumple,
Manored:

YouTube - Dapplegray Chorus at Norris Music Alone Shall Live

All things shall perish from
under the sky
music alone shall live
music alone shall live
music alone shall live
never to die...

So hard to find a decent production of this. Real music is practically dead. I will spend the rest of my life trying to get the right music for some lyrics; Classical musicians did just this- find the right music for the lyrics. But 4 out of 5 links to "Music shall live" have a high tempo or much too high notes. What I link is quite decent, imo. /rant
 
manored
 
Reply Thu 13 May, 2010 08:55 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;163440 wrote:
If there's souls, then what was the idea of the flood?
Good question. but there ARE souls, at least on the christian view, as far as I understand.

Anyway, im tired of discussing what the christian interpretation of the flood would be, since im not christian. Lets go back to... well, I think the thread is mostly over.

jack;163552 wrote:

All things shall perish from
under the sky
music alone shall live
music alone shall live
music alone shall live
never to die...
Without anyone to sing it? Dont think so =)

Unless we sent a solar-powered radio with a load of musics to the Moon, where music will live in a eletromagnetic form until it is smashed by a meteor or the sun explodes.
 
prothero
 
Reply Thu 13 May, 2010 02:46 pm
@MMP2506,
MMP2506;163141 wrote:
All science is in attempt to make concrete a very abstract reality. In that regard art is attempting to do the same thing, but art allows for a level of truth that science can't deliver. Nothing can be revealed to anyone reading the Bible as a scientific journal, but by reading it as a piece of art, the essence of its stories are revealed. Art tells us much more about the medieval time period than reading the works of Galileo ever could.
Well it could be said that art speaks directly to the truth of human experience (values,ethics and aesthetics) whereas science is pretty much silent about such matters. Religion is more of an art than a science.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Fri 14 May, 2010 03:23 am
@manored,
manored;163873 wrote:
Good question. but there ARE souls, at least on the christian view, as far as I understand.

Anyway, im tired of discussing what the christian interpretation of the flood would be, since im not christian. Lets go back to... well, I think the thread is mostly over.
Nor am I christian, but I like to discuss, I see it no different than a laywer defending something he deep inside abhore.
 
manored
 
Reply Fri 14 May, 2010 03:40 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;164174 wrote:
Nor am I christian, but I like to discuss, I see it no different than a laywer defending something he deep inside abhore.
I think I would have no future as a lawyer =)
 
 

 
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