Illusion, perfection,right versus wrong, good versus evil.
these things are always a matter of personal definition. Religious conviction is a matter of personal choice. The choice to deny god in a world that is mostly godfearing is a personal choice.
Who is to say what is righteous and who will declare what is truth?
Everything that is being discussed here is rooted in man's natural curiosity to explain the world around him to help him become more comfortable and familiar with those things that he is uncertain about. Faith is attained when he resorts to actually convincing himself that he has discovered a truth that he can now settle on and commit himself to.
But in reality it always has been and always will be mere choice of expression and understanding.
So whether or not god makes mistakes, Adam was created perfect and fell, or this entire universe is a pure and simple accidental anomaly the truth is that all are mere perspectives of observation and thought. Personal creations of the mind that remain to be proven and or come to fruition of some sort.
Until that time comes, if it ever does, beating ones head against the bricks will continue to be a means only to blurred vision.
sorry Xris, but perfection as defined by whose standard?
For that stand you will have to tell us what definition of perfection it is that you personally choose to define what meets your personal choice of perfection as you would like to see it.
It always boils down to the properties of personal opinion and choice to believe and/or accept.
Eye of the beholder my friend.
again, what you define as perfection may not be my idea of perfection.
A car with 2 doors may be perfect for me while you would consider it less than perfect because of its lack of access to the rear seat.
Is life with the counterbalance of good and evil a perfect creation or would perfection have been an existence without evil. Some say evil is necessary to know the extent of what is good.
Perfection does not fail,its not complicated.He did not exactly fail on the last hurdle.
But what if God's intention was for Adam to fail the test for some purpose of introducing choice, evil, temptation, etc, etc into creation?
If this was all part of the big plan than Adam did perfectly what was expected of him. If God's plan was to create a situation where He knew Adam would disobey and further His bigger plan, than the fall of Adam was part of a perfect plan, and therefore perfect in its fruition.
We do not know! we have only the interpretations of others to make theories of, and we cannot and should not attempt to define perfection according to our own interpretation of their interpretation.
Nobody knows the truth of creation, or whether or not God intended all that has happened since day1. If God is perfect than all these mishaps along the way must be part of His plan.
Is it possible that He has tolerated free will and allowed it to alter what may have been His plan for His creation? Who would dare to answer that with authority. Christ did, but that is still debated to this day and only accounted for by the blind faith of His followers.
By faith we deliberately believe in what we choose to accept is the closest thing to our hopes for what may be the truth. But we must do so blindly as we do not have the final answers.
Because of that fact, we cannot define what may or may not be perfect.
Nice to hear from you once again.
It is a fact that the enjoyment and appreciation of a thing is more greatly enhanced by the lack of it in the first place. So which is perfect than. Life with the contrast or life without the contrast where nothing would be diseased or suffered in any way from affliction of any kind?
That is the question? Which does one choose to define as perfection? Some would say that perfection is the lack of any corruption or affliction, and than others like yourself would define it as the ability to appreciate through the experience of the lack of. Which is the accurate definition of perfection and who gets to decide which and by what authority?
No, perfection is like the eye of the beholder thing. Personal opinion. garbage may be far from perfection to me, but the rats sure as hell love it.
not sure how to respond to that Alan,
I still see it as your defining your idea of perfection.
Ans there are many murderering thieves who act of their own free will that I would not define innocence.
The question still stands. But I will pose it differently:_
If the Bible is the exact literal truth and if you were a fundamental believing Christian or Jew or Moslem would you carry out the very same acts of cruelty that God supposedly asked Moses and his army to do against the Midianite people??