Believing in the story is about faith not history

denying that the pagans told similar stories long before the christian story is only denial for faiths sake..

Your point?

who said I was denying it?
Oh and I'd like examples. Not that I'm doubting you but it would be interesting.

You dont get my point? you are refusing to accept the facts because of your faith..Do i really have to mention Mithra identical story to jesus, the common Roman soldiers god..Isis and horus, mother and child...Osirus.Adonis..ascending to heaven...Divine father Mars and earthly child Romulus..History of pagan gods going back thousands of years...even the celts sacrificed their most treasured youths ...Be honest with yourself please..

mithras was worshiped after the time of christ, isus and horus- not a virgin birth, jesus is a god as well as earthly, just to point out a few things there. However I am not denying that there are vast numbers of myths that resemble the christian myths stretching back thousands of years before christianity. They predate christianty, some predate judaism. True enough. They are still reflections.

Sorry but Mithras was worshipped at almost the same time.. some academics put him before christ...how can they be reflections when they predate christianity?:perplexed:

You have a very simplistic conception of time, you really do.

I just cant wait.. please tell me how simplistic is my conception of time??? something happens and it is a reflection of a future event..the first event proves the second event...how the faithful mind works... its amazing..

God trancends time. The event of Christs birth and life were anticipated througout the old testament, and it is logical to assume that elements of this exist in most human mythology.

so in your mind that excuses the problem i have exposed that christianity is just another pagan faith dressed up with a modern message..well i admire your attempt but i dont think you are being honest with yourself..you cant be serious..

You use the word pagan very derisivly. As to the word 'modern' I don't know what you mean by it. You can hardly be refering to a point in time.

Well if you refuse to accept that the message is the important bit and without the pagan ritual it would be of no consequence yes it is pagan...modern in terms of the worlds million years of worshipping for fear of the dark...yes it is modern..Christ came with a message of hope and forgiveness..he inspired millions to improve mankind but who he was and from where he came ..i do not know..its the song not the singer..

God trancends time. The event of Christs birth and life were anticipated througout the old testament, and it is logical to assume that elements of this exist in most human mythology.

Ante hoc, ergo propter hoc?

Seriously, why does the fact that Christian mythology (if you will permit me) resembles pre-Christian mythology in many respects serve as an indication of the veracity of Christian mythology? Perhaps the Orphic or Eleusinian mysteries are true, and Christianity is simply a detour.

You have a very simplistic view of both paganism and christianity. It would be incorrect to say that there was no hope in all pantheistic religions, no good to them at all. You look at that part of a good thing that you understand and like, but you would cut away the rest because it does not suit your particular desires. If you wish to engage in that particular fallacy that is your buissness but pleas don't presume to lecture me on somthing you self confessedly are incapable of understanding.
And whats up with using '...' instead of full stops? What exactly is the point?

il post as i wish...and so now your defence has become one of desire rather than logic and my understanding is that you refuse to accept that christianity is a pagan faith with new clothes..

All you have done is baldy state your opinion, without any real justification. I have give a number of perfectly good reasons for the pagan-christian connection, but you have dismissed as opposed to answered these points. At what point have you used logic?

Ive used logic at every stage ..something you blatantly refuse to use..how can you excuse a religion that calls on stories of virgin births ..sacrifice..resserection..ascendacy to heaven..miracles from previous pagan faiths and then claim them as their own..your pushing belief into the realms of manic fantasy..

your pushing belief into the realms of manic fantasy..

I dont think i need answer this post ..your words are sufficient to prove my point..

So you concede the point. Well its been an enjoyble if occaisonally heated debate.
You have conceded the point haven't you? Because you stopped debating before a conclusion had been reached on either side so I can only assume your argument has collapsed.