I have no doubt of this. But I also know that all things which begin must end. We have this nasty habit of nostalgia in the human race and seem to have a hard time letting go of things. Religion was great but it has out lived its usefulness.

Who is to say that marriage is correct? In a society that is not conflicted by silly ideas like religion, faith, greed and mysticism we would easily work towards common goals. The goal of demystifying the universe. In a society like that, you have children because you need to. You love and you live and you learn and you achieve. Would that be so bad? Would it be so terrible to define your own reason for being? Would be so bad to define your own route through life? In that sort of society, everyone would take care of everyone because it would be good to do so. There would be no need for conflict or war or anyting of violent nature. You would be truly free to do as you wish without guidelines or rules or limits. Mankind would be able to achieve things not even possible in science fiction. Don't get me wrong, I know this will never happen because of mans inherent struggle to hold on to the past and his inherent struggle towards greed and power. But when you remove all that is to be powerful and all that is required to be greedy then you are left with only progression.

the view on marriage is a debate for another time. You haven't given me an answer on anything else. 'your own path', sure, but 1. people will take mystical paths and 2. what path is it that you suggest that is superior to what we have. Give an example.

Ok. Simple. Remove the monitary systems, remove lines of dominance, remove personal posession, remove housing and vehicles and jobs, remove government, remove religion, remove all things save knowledge. Start over again with nothing, from scratch. Build standard housing, public only transportation, research centers with materials, automated food processing plants, automated materials gathering for raw materials, automated salvage operations for turning the old world into the new. Provide tools, information, technology, open source information for everything. Allow the people to do whatever they want to do and achieve whatever they wish to achieve without prejudice, judgment or control.

you could just have said 'hell on earth' and left it at that.
seriously is that your vision for a perfect future? Why is it that all utopian visions are really dystopias for everyone else?
Also what is your defenition of 'information' do you include litreature? scripture? philosophy? unproven theories?

First of all, how is being able to do whatever you wish a dystopia?
Second, I mean ALL information. Peoples location, literature, unfinished theories, philosophy, scripture, unfinished design specs, invalid or disproven information, EVERYTHING. All information available for all people. A completely open society.

Yes. Everything. Everything which reminds us of our past save for the information. no physical manifestations of the past. just information. We MUST know about the past to learn from it. But we must not be reminded of it or we might cling to it again.

I will counter your first comment with a question. What is the importance of giving something restrictions? Why is it so scary to consider all possibilities?

First point- what about cathedrals, art, the pyramids- surely they are sources of inspiration and knowlage themselves? What is the advantage to be had from their absence?
secondly you are deciding that restrictions are bad without really attempting to understand why they are there, as chesterton put it-
'Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.'
wise man

Wow, interesting thread. It's nice that we can discuss issues such as this without beating each other up over it. Thank you both for the insightful dialogs.

Wow, interesting thread. It's nice that we can discuss issues such as this without beating each other up over it. Thank you both for the insightful dialogs.

Always take the fence down but be ready to deal with the consequences.

I understand your point about the buildings. The question comes to how dangerous it is to let others have a chance to cling to it. This is not my choice and this is strictly hypothetical as this society could never happen.

But I am not discussing a gradual change. I am talking about an immediate change into an age of reason and logic. Society would no longer have meaning or value. All that would matter is the achievement of our peak. The progression to our best limits. An infinite progression as our limits will progress as we push them.

This reply is in direct response to the thread opener. My apologies if I say something that has already been stated. I fully intend to go back and read the other posts in this thread, but I wanted to reply to the opener while this is fresh in my head.

There is one simple reason why Christians look forward to a Revelations-like end of the world, and the reason isn't fear (fear is why they believe in the first place), it's doubt. Those Christians long for God (Jesus, w/e) to come down and say, "See, these Christians had it right all along, so Ha!" If Christians are afraid of anything, it's of being proven wrong, or, at least, not being proven right during their lifetimes.

They feel an all-encompassing need to have their faith validated. Because, quite frankly, most of them are tired of God, Christianity, Christ, church, the Bible and everything that is affiliated with such. So they have a dire craving to justify why they chose to adhere to this thing that they don't even like anymore. They stick with it out of fear for what will happen to them if they give up. Despite what they claim, they are not good people, nor do they want good things. They want to see hellfire and damnation descend upon those who don't agree with them, and it's quite clear by the thoughts stated in the thread opener (and in plenty of other Christian literature) that they have a divisive "us and them" mentality.

Doubt and fear walk hand in hand. And just about every Christian I talk to is obsessed with them. You cannot possibly hope to good while your head is full of worries about evil. And that is the Christian dillemma.

In a society that is not conflicted by silly ideas like religion, faith, greed and mysticism we would easily work towards common goals.