Hello Das. Interesting post. Let's see what "wiki" has to say about the truth. When your finished, in about fifty years, of deciphering all that "philosophers" have espoused, then perhaps we will get a glimpse of what is indeed true.
Truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are many kinds of truth. There are scientific truths, which are propositions or hypotheses that can be tested against nature. There are existential truths, like having been betrayed by someone you dearly love, and never getting over it. There are hard truths, like the fact that crooks sometimes win and honest men go to jail. There are many truths you can only learn by experience, and those are the truths hardest to convey. There are truths you can know about yourself that no-one else knows. There are things you could have sworn were true that turn out to be not. But I suspect that stewing in a sense of righteous indignation is not really connected with any of these kinds of truth, unless you work out what is really behind it:bigsmile:
Aristotle wrote that to say of what is that it is, or to say of what is not that it is not, is to say what is true.
I can't see anything to object to about that. Can you?
Thanks Ken, do you think it can be that simple? Ha. It sounds good to me, but, alas here comes the crowd as they continue to ascertain, "Well, what does "is" means, huh"? or "Who is to say what 'is not', huh"? Who made you king of the universe? Ring a bell? And so the debates continue. Yes, I think it is that simple as you note. If it were that simple, then we would have Ph'd's all over the place and we just can't have that, can we?
Thanks again ,
Sorry, for the "tongue in cheek". I couldn't resist.
So the fact that there are different kinds of statements, that are true does not mean that there are different kinds of truths. Isn't that right?
I'm in the camp that truth is defined by a group of people by consensus.
I guess, a good question would be, why do humans want to know the truth.
OK, so when everyone thought the earth was mounted on the back of a giant turtle, then it was?
'You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free'. Jesus said that. I am not a churchgoer, but I believe it.
For them it was, and they would persecute people who disagreed. They thought they knew the truth. How can the earth be round? People would fall off it it was!!!
How does it happen that everyone knows that and you do not?
Didn't know this. Thanks for informing me. I suppose you have evidence that this is the truth?
Everyone knows the difference between believing that something is true, and its really being true. Why don't you? (Of course, you do. You just deny it for ideological reasons. You, in other words, have a hobby horse that you insist on riding).
You keep telling me what everyone knows and they believe. Can you provide me evidence that this is all the truth before I start believing it? Are you an elected spokesperson or something? Thanks.
BTW, do you know about the Fallacy of Ad Populum? Have a read.
Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity
Given your propensity for hyperbole and logic fallacies, I would say that you would rate as an excellent source to ignore when it comes to knowing the truth. But if you can, you can try to convince me otherwise.
Why on Earth do you want evidence that it is true before you believe it? I thought you hold that it doesn't matter whether what you believe is true, is, in fact true. It is "true for me", and I believe it is true. That's enough. In fact, according to you, that is all there is.
What logical fallacies have I committed? Have you a little list? I don't commit logical fallacies.
I'm unconvinced that you have any idea about what is true and what is not. Thanks anyway.