@prothero,
prothero;101088 wrote:But it is not unequivocal as the entire thread indicates. Our first notion when someone says something "exists" (The abominable snow man exists) is that of physical or material existence. Further discussion brings up concepts, values and imaginary constructs but these things do not have physical existence. So to say the something "exists" without a discussion of the attributes or properties one is asserting to belong to that subject is to say very little at all. "God exists" is not very informative.
And futhermore, to deny the existence of something "does not exist" implies having at least a conception of the thing being denied (in some odd sense confirming some type of existence in the act of denial). What we mean generally "does not exist" is does not have material or spatial properties.
If the abominable snowman existed then a physical object would exist which has the properties the AS is supposed to have. Since nothing like that has been discovered (
arguendo) we have no reason to suppose the AS exists. But "exist" when applied to the AS is univocal with exist as applied to elephants. Certainly, if I deny that mermaids exists, I am denying that a creature with the head of a woman, and the torso of a fish exists. Such a creature would be physical, of course. In no sense, odd or not, am I affirming that mermaids exist when I deny they exists. Indeed, if I did, I would be contradicting myself. What I am denying, however, is that the concept of mermaids (which does exist) has a referent. That there is anything which has the head of a woman and the torso of a fish.
If I were to say, falsely, that the concept of mermaid does not exist, I would not be saying that the concept of a mermaid has no spatial or material properties. I would be saying that nothing has the properties of the concept of a mermaid. Which would be false. Just as if I were to say that the number three does not exist, I would not be saying that the number three does not have spatial or material properties. Numbers don't have spatial or material properties. What I would be saying if I said that the number three does not exist would be that nothing is a number which is the successor of two, is odd, and is prime. And that, of course, would be false.
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ACB;101093 wrote:Would you say that the statement "Unicorns are imaginary" is literally true? If so, how can unicorns "be" of some description if they do not exist? To generalise the point, does "X is Y" (where Y is an adjective) imply "X exists"?
Yes, I might say that. But what I would mean if I said that, is that there are no unicorns, but some people may imagine there are. Or, more likely, that there are unicorn-stories, and unicorn-paintings. But imaginary is not a property of unicorns, since there are no unicorns to have properties. Imaginary is a pseudo-property. Don't let the grammar mislead you. Just as "exist" is not a property of any objects.