So what? I am not speaking of possible social benefits of pornography, I am speaking of the moral side of the matter, how it influence the minds of the people.

Thou ways art wicked and foolish. Seeing such huge benefit only through a moral perspective is very cynically. Such ways art the foundation of a dictatorship, tyrrany ..Thine ways would be such as Hitler. When christiannity such as yours will siese to exist, we may have world peace.

Seeing things through the moral perspective only is the foundation of tyranny and dictatorship? I have always thought the reason why Hitler, Stalin and those of their ilk did all those terrible things is exactly that they were looking upon a human as upon means to achieve a certain pragmatical goal.
Not an offence, but the idea that morality is the foundation of tyranny sounds ridiculous. Hitler hated the very idea of morality, and so did communists. Thou art welcome to read some of their "scriptures"
FYI, I am not christian. Apparently for thee morality is connected with religion, but that's false. Morality has independent status, this is the things which leads to happiness whcih cannot be gained through a certain arrangement of worldly things. Compassion is the manifestation of morality, and to neglect it is to deprive oneself of happiness. We always do that, we live for our pleasures regardless of others and that is why our life is so miserable.

Not quite, I was blaming you for not seeing the so obvious good side effects porn has, that's why I compare your thinking to a dictatorship. Only dictators can be so narrowminded as you, in your former post.

All things are divided into three categories: good, evil and indifferent. The first two are moral (causing happiness) and immoral (causing suffering) things.

This is a very simple vay to look at it. It is something I would expect 100 years ago, not in modern time.

Please point me out something good, christianity? Filled with pedos which the pope has been trying to keep his hand over? Or the religious wars they have caused? Those chatholic children homes which had so much abuse, both in violence and sexual abuse, besides they would raise these kids in a very naivistic way, making them glaringly ignorent about life, thus victims of scammers, demagogues ..etc.

Do you know what you are talking about?

why we should talk about Christianity.

5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt
not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh
on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already
in his heart.

The Gospel According to (Saint) Matthew

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we should talk about Christianity

My friend, I really can't understand why we should talk about Christianity. I am not a Christian, as I have already said.
To point thee out something good? Neither thing can be called good or bad itself, good and bad is what is inside human. Love is good, compassion is good, understanding is good. Please don't think that I am going to give thee new commandments, new rules or something like that, I am just describing, here "good" means just "what brings happiness". Perhaps it is not so easy to understand, I wonder if it is possible to understand through words, but love is the ultimate happiness which can never be given through pleasures, through worldly fame, comfort etc. Love is freedom, the ability to feel the value of another person as HUMAN, not as just a means to get certain pleasure, certain result.
We are living in the world where we have exactly that: we don't see INFINITE value of people, we eat to get pleasure, looking for sexual partner to get pleasure, at work we don't look at problems of our workers, because all we need is a certain result, a certain pleasure. And our life has become so awful, because we struggle with others for pleasures, which is suffering, yet having got it, we inevitably meet that emptiness which comes after "satisfaction". So what is our "normal" life? Suffering and disappointment.
Love is the way out. When one is in love that crazy pursuit for pleasures comes to an end. One becomes able to feel the pure beauty of the world and human, which is the highest happiness.

5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt
not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh
on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already
in his heart.

The Gospel According to (Saint) Matthew

we should talk about Christianity

Sounds more like "good" from a selfish perspective, dude please stop being medival with these "good" and "bad" terms. Use instead psycotic, skitzophrenic, unselfish ..etc, much better terms.

My friend, I really can't understand why we should talk about Christianity. I am not a Christian, as I have already said.
To point thee out something good? Neither thing can be called good or bad itself, good and bad is what is inside human. Love is good, compassion is good, understanding is good. Please don't think that I am going to give thee new commandments, new rules or something like that, I am just describing, here "good" means just "what brings happiness". Perhaps it is not so easy to understand, I wonder if it is possible to understand through words, but love is the ultimate happiness which can never be given through pleasures, through worldly fame, comfort etc. Love is freedom, the ability to feel the value of another person as HUMAN, not as just a means to get certain pleasure, certain result.
We are living in the world where we have exactly that: we don't see INFINITE value of people, we eat to get pleasure, looking for sexual partner to get pleasure, at work we don't look at problems of our workers, because all we need is a certain result, a certain pleasure. And our life has become so awful, because we struggle with others for pleasures, which is suffering, yet having got it, we inevitably meet that emptiness which comes after "satisfaction". So what is our "normal" life? Suffering and disappointment.
Love is the way out. When one is in love that crazy pursuit for pleasures comes to an end. One becomes able to feel the pure beauty of the world and human, which is the highest happiness.

good and bad is what is inside human. Love is good, compassion is good, understanding is good. Please don't think that I am going to give thee new commandments, new rules or something like that, I am just describing, here "good" means just "what brings happiness". Perhaps it is not so easy to understand, I wonder if it is possible to understand through words, but love is the ultimate happiness which can never be given through pleasures, through worldly fame, comfort etc. Love is freedom, the ability to feel the value of another person as HUMAN, not as just a means to get certain pleasure, certain result.

We are living in the world where we have exactly that: we don't see INFINITE value of people, we eat to get pleasure, looking for sexual partner to get pleasure, at work we don't look at problems of our workers, because all we need is a certain result, a certain pleasure. And our life has become so awful, because we struggle with others for pleasures, which is suffering, yet having got it, we inevitably meet that emptiness which comes after "satisfaction". So what is our "normal" life? Suffering and disappointment.
Love is the way out. When one is in love that crazy pursuit for pleasures comes to an end. One becomes able to feel the pure beauty of the world and human, which is the highest happiness.

Do you know what an erotoman is? Why does so many married people divorce? I see many lovers bicker, and sometimes it ends tragicly in murder.
I see teen mums, who gave their love so willingly, but end up being abandoned, left as lonely supporters of a child ..what what good is your narrow definition of love?

Compassion can often end in a disfavor, we try to help with good intend but end to just doing things worse. People voted for GW Bush, but he just screwed the world over, introducing torture which he has for endless generations tryed to purge.
People donate their belongies to 3rd world countries, but just end up undermine their industries and support the warfare, making more suffering.

Allow me to recall a poem written by Soviet poet and regisseur E. Riazanov:

Love can forgive everything,
When it is Love.
It can wait for ever,
When it is Love.
Love cannot be sinful
When it is Love.
One can never forget it,
When it is Love.

Love can sacrifice life,
When it is Love;
It is salvation, grace,
When it is Love.
It is full of immeasurable kindness,
When it is Love,
It is as natural as thou,
When it is Love.

Excuse me for the absence of rhyme in my translation, hope the sense is understandable. People generally think they love, whereas in reality they still abide in the realm of desires. When one abides in love, it is absolutely impossible for him to have a row with the loved one, because he, as a bunch of desires, of struggle, comes to an end. Sexual desire comes to an end as well, because love has nothing to do with sensuality, with that bestial desire to have access to sexual organs of another.
So when one is in love, he can never complain on his life, whether the person who caused that feeling loves him or doesn't love, or even doesn't know about him. So thy examples are flawed, because they still imply some degree of selfishness. If someone feels bad because of being abandoned or whatever, this means that he still has desire, that he did not dissolve in love.

True compassion is more like inner feeling, it doesn't mean that one must immediately dash to donate money. That's all is imaginary compassion. Compassion must not be "cultivated". Compassion may easily be replaced by "principles", by ideas, which is obviously what thou art speaking of. When compassion is really there it can never lead to bad result, i. e. I really don't care what fruit it will bear. I just perform that as natural as trees start blossoming in spring.

But honestly I don't think any of that matters, when you watch porn it is generally a pretty personal experience. Pleasuring yourself is arguably (notice I say arguably) the most personal experience a person can have. It is just you and the ultimate good feeling, who cares what you watch or think about to achieve that moment of personal satisfaction that no one else will ever see?

What you speak of, is very old fashion love, a naive and ignorent love, western love realize there are very little of any such thing, that's why the divorce rate sky rocket for enlighten people.

You speak of nothing, only empty rethoric reaches my ears, and my eyes desire any concrete examples.

Those concrete examples you have spend pages to provide, has been only spoken from an naive and ignorent standpoint.

Please with all your great knowledge, explain why the divorce rate are so high in the western world.

Many men remain lonely. Lonelyness - main reason of depression. Pornography is branch of prostitution business. Rich married bаstаrd fuсks 20 whores for time. Someone can't find wife to create family!