Vegetarianism is a Higher level View

@MJA,

Could the answer to the age old philosophical question, "Why are we here?", really be: To evolve beyond eating meat? :detective:

http://fatlossschool.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/steak_out.gif

:letme-at-em::letme-at-em::letme-at-em:

@MJA,

Well, that's it. I have come to the conclusion that you, MJA, have no ground to stand on other than the shakey rock of your ego. If you cannot even stand against the simple arguments found in this thread then I have absolutely no faith or belief in what you say. I am still going to finish out this vegitarian experiment but when I am done, I am going to go to my grandfathers ranch, buther the cattle myself and eat a nice medium rare center cut rib eye.

@MJA,

MJA wrote:

Not all of us have evolved beyond your prehistoric flesh eating state, but One day soon I hope you do, for the goodness of all.

"Pythagoras used the greatest Purity, and was shocked at all bloodshed and killing; that he not only abstained from animal food, but never in any way approached butchers or hunters. (Eudoxus, Description of the Earth qtd in Porphyry, Life of Pythagoras, 7)"

Perhaps it is best now that I leave you to your own unpure ways,

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MJA

I hope that one day your eyes are washed from your rosy view of life before it comes to haunt you. I can gaurrantee that If you where lost out in the woods for a couple of months you would dig into a fluffy rabbit with big brown eyes.

I spent about a year in the woods with no supplies other than what I could carry. gathering for plants is not as easy as it seems in the cartoons. You will look for hours even days before you find anything edible.

If you really want to see the value of life. Make yourself fight for it. I have seen the wisest of men turn there thoughts 180 when faced with the possibility of not surviving.

It sounds as if you have read a couple of wiki articles and have flown half cocked on some self driven escapade of vegirevolution. Get some more information before you try and convert people to the herbaside. I wish your arguments had more substance this could have been fun. Well the chicken is getting away I must catch it. Before it becomes enlightened of it's rights humanity has so graciously applied to it.

@savagemonk,

savagemonk wrote:

I hope that one day your eyes are washed from your rosy view of life before it comes to haunt you. I can gaurrantee that If you where lost out in the woods for a couple of months you would dig into a fluffy rabbit with big brown eyes.

I spent about a year in the woods with no supplies other than what I could carry. gathering for plants is not as easy as it seems in the cartoons. You will look for hours even days before you find anything edible.

If you really want to see the value of life. Make yourself fight for it. I have seen the wisest of men turn there thoughts 180 when faced with the possibility of not surviving.

It sounds as if you have read a couple of wiki articles and have flown half cocked on some self driven escapade of vegirevolution. Get some more information before you try and convert people to the herbaside. I wish your arguments had more substance this could have been fun. Well the chicken is getting away I must catch it. Before it becomes enlightened of it's rights humanity has so graciously applied to it.

And you sound like your still lost in the woods!
If you ever do find the Way again, you'll find a vegetarian lifestyle to be the right Way too.

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MJA

@MJA,

:brickwall::poke-eye:

MJA wrote:

And you sound like your still lost in the woods!
If you ever do find the Way again, you'll find a vegetarian lifestyle to be the right Way too.

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MJA

don't let that light of yours blind you

@MJA,

MJA wrote:

Not all of us have evolved beyond your prehistoric flesh eating state, but One day soon I hope you do, for the goodness of all.

"Pythagoras used the greatest Purity, and was shocked at all bloodshed and killing; that he not only abstained from animal food, but never in any way approached butchers or hunters. (Eudoxus, Description of the Earth qtd in Porphyry, Life of Pythagoras, 7)"

Perhaps it is best now that I leave you to your own unpure ways,

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MJA

Herbivorous animals kill others too by outskilling then in the art of eating plants.

@manored,

manored wrote:

Herbivorous animals kill others too by outskilling then in the art of eating plants.

As a plant eating herbivorous myself I don't kill other animals to eat, and abhore those who still do. Although I have great compassion for those less fortune-eat than me, I do try to help those in need as much as I can.
Thus again the purpose of this thread. The health of One is the health of all.
I try to help people quit smoking and drinking too. And try to get people out of their cars as well. Walking is another key to good health.
For everyones' health and for the health of this thread, could we please only post in the future beneficial information regarding the benefits of a vegetarian diet. That was the point.:bigsmile:

Thanks,

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MJA

PS: And if you wish to preach the benefits of a meat eating diet, then start a meat eating thread.

And another PS: The point of truth is =.

@MJA,

Animal Rights HistoryJainism

Jainism

The Arhats and Bhagavats of the past, present, and future, all say thus, speak thus, declare thus, explain thus: all breathing, existing, living, sentient creatures should not be slain, nor treated with violence, nor abused, nor tormented, nor driven away. (Akaranga Sutra, Book 1, Fourth Lecture, Called Righteousness, First Lesson)
ca 2000 BCEJainism and the concept of Ahimsa 1500 years prior (The Kalpa Sutra). A detailed discussion of Jain Sources identifies , along with , and the as the oldest and most important from the literary point of view of the elaborates on the first vow of a Jain, that of Ahimsa, the avoidance of "himsa" or injury toward any living being.

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MJA

@MJA,

Off course you do. Ever time you eat a plant, thats one less plant for all other plant-eating animals to eat. Multiply that for 6 billions and suddently you got enough plants being eaten to extinct species.

@MJA,

MJA wrote:

As a plant eating herbivorous myself I don't kill other animals to eat, and abhore those who still do. Although I have great compassion for those less fortune-eat than me, I do try to help those in need as much as I can.
Thus again the purpose of this thread. The health of One is the health of all.
I try to help people quit smoking and drinking too. And try to get people out of their cars as well. Walking is another key to good health.
For everyones' health and for the health of this thread, could we please only post in the future beneficial information regarding the benefits of a vegetarian diet. That was the point.:bigsmile:

Thanks,

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MJA

PS: And if you wish to preach the benefits of a meat eating diet, then start a meat eating thread.

And another PS: The point of truth is =.

Ever took the time out of your self-righteousness to think that maybe people don't want your help?

I do what I do because I want to do it. If all is to be one, Than all must be one. For if one separates ones self it will not = one. Two parts of the same numeral will always be to parts of one. There for one will not exist only two. Even if the two are from the same one. The fact that they are trying to be equal proves that there are two and not one. You must always have two in order to equate one.

@savagemonk,

Right, as I said pages ago to say "One" implies "Two". Once you begin to organize nothing, you destroy nothing.

The North Sea King and South Sea King learned this the hard way.

@Didymos Thomas,

Didymos Thomas wrote:

Right, as I said pages ago to say "One" implies "Two". Once you begin to organize nothing, you destroy nothing.

The North Sea King and South Sea King learned this the hard way.

2+2 = 4 One equation with two different sides united by absolute truth.

Now back to the thread:

The Laws of Manu, although did not denounce meat eating or sacrifice as sinful, does conclude that the only way to obtain "great rewards" including "endless" (5:46), "heavenly bliss" (5:48 ) and freedom from disease is by "abstaining entirely from the use of meat" which is both "cruel" and "disgusting" (5:49). Manu's laws also condemn those who permit slaughter, as well as those who buy, sell, cook, serve or eat meat, acknowledging them as responsible for the slaughter as the one who actually killed the animal (5:51). Thought composed between 200 AD and 200 BC, Scholars now agree that the Manava Dharma-sastra is an "amplified recast in verse of a Dharma-sutraCatholic Encyclopedia Online, s.v. "Manu, The Laws of")

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MJA

@MJA,

God doesn't exist. Taoism is just a metaphor. Physically, we are designed to hunt, kill and eat animals. You are wrong. You are self rightous. You are undoubtedly about as deep as a cup cake pan but most of all, you're a fool who tends towards whatever he reads. Nothing you have stated, not a single one of your ideas, is something that I couldn't find for myself in some book on religion and vegitarianism. You have offered up nothing to this thread and have done nothing but instigate, with no substance, arguments about things which are obviously beyond your comprehension as you have offered nothing in the way of proof, concept or even practice.

I see no point in continuing on this thread any longer. If you want to debate religion, we have a religion section. If you want to debate morality, we have an ethics section.

And P.S. Taoism and Catholicism are mutually exclusive and conflicting ideas. Stop mixing them up. It's offensive.

@Icon,

That's terrible icon what you have written, I'm sorry your so upset.
But no more upset than the animals we kill and eat.
Humanity has a long Way to go.

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MJA

@Didymos Thomas,

Didymos Thomas wrote:

Right, as I said pages ago to say "One" implies "Two". Once you begin to organize nothing, you destroy nothing.

The North Sea King and South Sea King learned this the hard way.

My apologies I did not mean to take your quote. I have been reading a lot of pages so I got the information mixed in my head. I read where you had posted the point and got it looked in just did not register where I got it from. I agree with what you posted. did not mean to zombie your post.

@MJA,

MJA wrote:

But no more upset than the animals we kill and eat.

This is getting laughable.

It seems that you try on spirituality as I try on a hat.

@Mr Fight the Power,

Mr. Fight the Power wrote:

This is getting laughable.

It seems that you try on spirituality as I try on a hat.

lololololololololololololololololollll:lol:Man I just spent $4.50 on that latte I spit out.

@savagemonk,

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The Lankavatara Sutra

On Meat Eating

Wherever there is the evolution of living beings, let people cherish the thought of kinship with them, and, thinking that all beings are [to be loved as if they were] an only child, let them refrain from eating meat. (Buddha, The Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
Let the Yogin refrain from eating flesh as it is born of himself, as [the eating] involves transgression, as [flesh] is produced of semen and blood, and as [the killing of animals] causes terror to living beings. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
Let the Yogin always refrain from meat. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
From eating [meat] arrogance is born, from arrogance erroneous imaginations issue, and from imagination is born greed; and for this reason refrain from eating [meat]. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
For profit sentient beings are destroyed, for flesh money is paid out, they are both evil-doers. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
One who eats flesh, trespassing against the words of the Muni, is evil-minded; he is pointed out in the teachings of the Sakya as the destroyer of the welfare of the two worlds. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
Those evil-doers go to the most horrifying hell; meat-eaters are matured in the terrific hells such as Raurava, etc. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
[The meat-eater] is ill-smelling, contemptuous, and born deprived of intelligence. (Buddha, The Lankavatara SutraThe Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
[Meat-eating] is condemned by the Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, and Śrāvakas; if one devours [meat] out of shamelessness he will always be devoid of sense. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
As greed is the hindrance to emancipation, so are meat-eating, liquor, etc., hindrances. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
There may be in time to come people who make foolish remarks about meat-eating, saying, "Meat is proper to eat, unobjectionable, and permitted by the Buddha." (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
[Meat-eating] is forbidden by me everywhere and all the time for those who are abiding in compassion. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")
Therefore, do not eat meat which will cause terror among people, because it hinders the truth of emancipation; [not to eat meat-] this is the mark of the wise. (Buddha, The Lankavatara Sutra, "On Meat Eating")

@MJA,

Surprise... Another book.

So tell me, do you have any ideas of your own on this subject or are you just going to provide the entirety of wikipedia on vegetarianism?

@Icon,

I think that regurgitation is part of MJAs eating habits as well.

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