Re: To recap!
Oh well, if thats the end of this attempt than so be it. I wonder how many Family members hae done what I have done and triedd what I have tried. I wonder how many will do it in the future......
leocon --- out
Giving up after just a couple posts questioning your motives? Come on, you're better than that. I'm sure you didn't come here not expecting to get flack from anyone. Besides, none of the editors are harrassing you, so don't mind the site's participants who do.
That having been said, whether you or someone else wants to debate the "Davidito Book" or not is completely up to you, as for me I do not care to.....I don't want to! Why? Because it's irrelavent to YOU as an individual finding closure to your past!
I'd be interested to know why you think you know what gives an abuse victim closure, seeing as you you never experienced any.
I stand up for my friends in the same way you stand up for the Family's leadership. The only difference being that I know my friends personally while you have never even met your leaders.
You say you want me to tell you about my personal abuse. Well the only reason I had inappropriate sexual contact with an adult woman as a child was because
of the The Davidito Book. That makes it extremely relevant to me.
Which reminds me, when I asked you directly if you still believe Ricky was not abused you answered, "I know that Ricky was a hurt and torn individual". I take it, then, that you do not believe he was abused. I take it that you consider that everything that was done to him (including the oral sex) was done in love and did not affect him negatively. Is that correct? I tend to think not, but I still haven't gotten a straight answer from you on this question.
People asking me "what is your REAL intention" over and over in multiple ways makes me feel......well like I said in first post.....I guess I kinda am the "enemy" here!
Eman, as a peer, I'll break down for you the reasons why people are questioning your motives. Take your article on MovingOn, for example (I know you said you've changed you mind on that, but hear me out):
First you say, "He says he was molested, and I say I am the Fairy Queen Mother!", a few paragraphs later you say, "I also sincerely hope that all those who feel as Ricky felt, and who feel in any way hurt by the past ..."
Either Ricky was hurt by the past in being molested or he wasn't. Which is it?
In that same article you speak of your wife's abuse. You speak with sincere emotion about your wife's story of abuse while jeering your peers when they tell their's. You believe your wife's story even though you haven't seen any proof of it (correct me if I'm wrong), and yet you demand that ex-members prove to you they were abused.
To put things in perspective a little: I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if I said that your wife is lying about how bad it was because my best friend can't have kids as a result of the abuse she suffered and your wife can.
On this forum you said, "I apologize for the bad example of Hitler and Germany, even though I still think it was a pretty good likening!"
Either you think it's a bad example, or you think it's a good likening. It can't be both. Which is it?
Emn, this double-speak is what is causing people to question your motives. Personally, my opinion is that you are a confused individual who will eventually pull out of it, but to others, you're coming across as insincere. If you are really sincere about "talking shop", your posts would reflect that without contradicting themselves.
Anyway, it's late and I've got a big day ahead of me tomorrow. But I'm not going anywhere, so if you sincerely feel that you still want to have open dialogue with us (and, yes, constructive criticism will be a part of that), you know where to find me.