I am on vacation it has been a National Holiday here.
I would suggest that you get yourself a full time job.
There must be employment in Texas.
The Oil industry is or was significant.
Haliburton are looking for various employees.
You appear confused as to the English "modus operandi"
However,I can no longer waste my time in answering your child like questions.
Good luck in the job market.
Have a nice day

Best Regards
Max

I do not have the time to answer all of the questions and since many do not merit comment I shall not do so.

Get together with your friends and former TF members and do something positive and proactive.

It is the only way forward ...

... it may be hard to bring a case to bear the owness is on you to do so not me since I have no alleagations to bring against the TF.

As for providing financial support to TF I do not remember saying anything of the kind.

I have not said you are a loser.

What you think is one thing and what is fact is another.

There have always been leaders and followers in life. It is a question of deciding or knowing which catergory you fall into?

I have met many holocaust survivors most of whom were children at the time of their incarceration into concentration camps. The horrors and abuse that they suffered one can only begin to imagine. They have gone on to lead full and positive lives and in many cases achieved greatness in their chosen professions and fields.

I think certain former members of TF and this forum should take a leaf out of their book and get on with their lives as they have done.
In many cases they have forgiven their tormentors not forgoten but forgiven. It is individauls like these that we can and should all learn from.

...you fail to comment on what if any actions you have taken on the legal front assuming you have a case to act upon.

As a director of a Multi- National Company I have been a leader for many years and continue to do so.

I am sure you must be aware that for organizations of any type to be successful they require talented and able human beings who can create wealth and power.

If you hate TF so much why did you spend 24years of your life as a member? It seems to me that it took you a long time to make your mind up. I presume that for some of these 24 years you were an adult and legally capable of making your own decisions.

I have to go play the stock market...

There are times when you have to be strong otherwise you perish.
This is based on Darwin’s Evolutionary fact that only the strong survive.
That is not to say that I do not have sympathy for the weak they are part of society and one must try and help them if they want help.

This is based on Darwin’s Evolutionary fact that only the strong survive.

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This is based on Darwin’s Evolutionary fact that only the strong survive.

Max, just a bit of information for you. CoG/TF reject Darwinism, they believe that God made the world as the book og genesis describes it--in six literal days.

Max, you obviously have little or no knowledge of Mental Health issues.

Perhaps you have not heard of Stockholm Syndrome.

Look it up on google, it may enlighten you.

It is amazing how many victims often defend their abusers. Such as battered wives, abused children, torture victims etc.

As one Englishman to another, you are coming across as being self-righteous and pompous.

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There are times when you have to be strong otherwise you perish.
This is based on Darwin’s Evolutionary fact that only the strong survive.
That is not to say that I do not have sympathy for the weak they are part of society and one must try and help them if they want help.

A rather arrogant statement for a man of your intellect. Wouldn't you agree?

No I do not agree with you that if I join TF I will become a follower. Still to pursue that issue would be pointless at this juncture.

If as you say TF lacks management skills, endurance and education then this needs to be rectified post haste.

I was aware of the financial implications of joining TF, not to be so would be foolish. They are not alone in raising funds in this manner.

I am pleased that you decided to leave TF on your own volition and that you were not asked to leave. I am only surprised that since you are obviously an intelligent individual you were unable to come to this decision earlier.

At least you did so and I wish you luck and happiness in the World of consumerism.

Thanks for your compliments with respect to my high level of intellect.

I do not have the time to answer all of the questions and since many do not merit comment I shall not do so.
However, Walker I am not a lawyer but if I had a legal case agaisnt someone or sombody I can assure you that I would pursue it.
I have done so on many occasions and although I have not always been the victor I have at least tried.
Get together with your friends and former TF members and do something positive and proactive.
It is the only way forward and although it may be hard to bring a case to bear the owness is on you to do so not me since I have no alleagations to bring against the TF.
Good luck and go for it and let me know how you go on.

I can as I state only speak of the individuals that I have met and comment on their achievements.

All this psycho babble and loose medical terminology is nonsense and implies to me a sign of weakness. Lymbic system indeed!

Shape up or ship out is my motto. It has worked well for me and many others and will continue to do so and I have been faced with adversity on many occasions. There are times when you have to be strong otherwise you perish. This is based on Darwin’s Evolutionary fact that only the strong survive. That is not to say that I do not have sympathy for the weak they are part of society and one must try and help them if they want help.

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No I do not agree with you that if I join TF I will become a follower. Still to pursue that issue would be pointless at this juncture.

I agree. It's all hypothetical at this point. I can only state what I have observed and experienced. If you plan on joining to become a leader, I wish you luck and hope you can rid The Family of its legacy. I believe making amends with the victims of abuse would be a large step in the right direction.

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If as you say TF lacks management skills, endurance and education then this needs to be rectified post haste.

Indeed it does. But it begs the question, why wasn't it rectified earlier and why are the people who had the skills and capacity to make those changes no longer in The Family?

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I was aware of the financial implications of joining TF, not to be so would be foolish. They are not alone in raising funds in this manner.

Quite right. They are, however, one of only a few unregistered organizations that collect money in this way. Most of the funds that flow through the organization is neither taxed nor tax-exempt. This will remain the case until they become registered as a legal organization, something they have avoided doing so far because a registered organization with assets makes for a better target in court.

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I am pleased that you decided to leave TF on your own volition and that you were not asked to leave. I am only surprised that since you are obviously an intelligent individual you were unable to come to this decision earlier.

Some call it brainwashing, I prefer to call it mental conditioning (yes, I see the pun...washing vs. conditioner ). When one is surrounded by any ideology for long enough, it becomes a reality to them. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept.

It takes a lot of strength and self esteem to go against the flow, especially when you've been told repeatedly you would fail and suffer the consequences if you tried (See the Traumatic Testimonies). I applaud those of my peers who were abandoned by their parents when they chose to leave at 16. Some of them went through hell, and yet they've had the tenacity to overcome that setback.

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At least you did so and I wish you luck and happiness in the World of consumerism.

Thanks. Fortunately, I have the advantage of having been introduced to that World with a good head on my shoulders. When you know where the pitfalls are, it's easier to avoid them.

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Thanks for your compliments with respect to my high level of intellect.

No problem. I expect the same in return. As I said earlier, I make no negative assumptions about you until I can prove otherwise.

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I can as I state only speak of the individuals that I have met and comment on their achievements.

Therefore, you are making a case for trauma survival based on anecdotal evidence. Religious people draw conclusions based on personal experience and anecdote. Evolutionary scientists, whom you seem to respect, talk about observation methods and causal models.

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All this psycho babble and loose medical terminology is nonsense and implies to me a sign of weakness. Lymbic system indeed!

All this "psychobabble" is based on neurochemistry, and you obviously know jack about neuroscience. Why don't you dismiss your endocrine system while you're huffing about "signs of weakness" and acting indignant about the audacity of someone referencing the brain's lymbic system. If your endocrine system gets damaged, you're likely to develop diabetes. But OH! That's just the babbling of neurochemistry, so no reason to bother treating your diabetes with insulin injections, because that implies a sign of weakness. A stiff upper lip should get you through the resulting insulin coma. I'm not going to go into the neuroscience of traumatic injury, but if you want to learn about something other than the business of religious scamming, start with a wikipedia search on "neurochemistry."

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Shape up or ship out is my motto. It has worked well for me and many others and will continue to do so and I have been faced with adversity on many occasions. There are times when you have to be strong otherwise you perish. This is based on Darwin’s Evolutionary fact that only the strong survive. That is not to say that I do not have sympathy for the weak they are part of society and one must try and help them if they want help.

You appear to be a deep well of compassion and empathy, grasshopper, and I have little doubt you will quickly rise to the top echelon of leadership in The Family should you choose to throw in with that lot. Seriously, your social darwinist hubris is mitigated by just enough obligatory piety to make you a truly convincing angel of mercy. If I didn't know better, I'd say you were one of Peter Kelly's young'uns. No doubt you know Peter, the current King of the TFI jungle? I'd love to see younger lions enter the sheepfold and take out the old fart.

The question is, are you willing to give old saggy-tit Queenie and a half-dozen other wrinkled aunties in the Unit a romp in the hay? Law of the jungle, grasshopper. Only the strongest and most cunning predators survive the emasculating lionesses who inhabit the House of the Open Pussy. About the time Queenie tells you to imagine that you're Jesus' sanctified ****, come back and talk some more about psychobabble.