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Initial note: Im not sure if this is the right forum, hope yes =)

Lately I have been thinking about what are the fundamental drives of people, and lately I also read about taoism (the way of thinking, not the religion), and it made an incredible amount of sense, but, yet, I did not feel even the least bit of will of trying it. That made me imagine that there are two types of goals:

*Chaos: Accomplish an objective in this world, have fun

*Order: Gain greater understanding and knowledge of the universe.

People seem to be at randow points between these, moving around and never being absolutely either.

I think then people think this life is good, they try to enjoy it. Then they think it is not, they try to transcend it.

Using myself as an example: Then I read about taoism, it did seem like it would be a good, enlightening idea to just try to slow down until all desires were eliminated and this world itself vanished into nothingness, and remain in that path forever. But that sounds soooo boring =)

P.s: I know naming it chaos and order make it sound kinda ridiculous, but thats how its impressed into my mind. I guess I have been watching too much anime lately =)

(Moderator edit: thread moved to more appropriate forum.jgw)

1) I really don't see how your definitin of chaos and order fits the bill.

2) how does understanding of the universe serve any purpose other than satisfying curiosity?

The two types of goals: healthy one and destructive once

1) I really don't see how your definitin of chaos and order fits the bill.

2) how does understanding of the universe serve any purpose other than satisfying curiosity?

Deep understanding of alchemy brings oil-spills and radio-active waste.

Chaos is to "just have fun" because having fun is very inespecific, and what gives or not fun changes a lot. Order is to "learn" because, well, then you learn you can organize and see patterns. But thats really just a way of adding poetry to it =)

Understanding things allows you to know how they will behave, and perhaps even manipulate then.

This sounds very supersticious to me.

When children play, be it human kids or animal cubs ..etc, it is to prepare for adult life, sharpening reflexes, tactics and strategies for fight ..which is importaint both to kill animals and fight off competetors.
Also giving stregth, stimulate bone structure's streght and sinew.

Those who excersize their body alot have sharper relfexes and usually learn faster than those who sit still and doesn't work their body.

I don't see how astrology has any relation to medical knowledge, engineering or raising a child well.

Maybe poetry forum would be a better place.

I see many do as they want, go fishing, go to the bar, go to the movies ..etc, I don't really see that as chaos.

Imo I just think it's inherently a wrong idea.

I see that as chaos though. Life would be a lot more orderly without individuality. Not that individuality is a bad thing, nor order a good thing.

My good manored, it's Imo lacks psycology, I too have thought such thoughts when I was young, but learned that people need to relax, let go of stress by doing things that amuses them, make them forget pressing matters, that way the human mind can achive an equlibrilium, else too many will get high blood pressure, which will cause forgetfulness/absinmindedness (dunno correct medical term in english), insomnia ..etc, many bad side effects.

Therefore humans must relax and enjoy themselfs, to avoid chaos from stress => mental illnesses.

When did I say otherwise?

I said it was chaotic, I did not say it was bad.

Then define chaotic, it seems very unrelating to what you describe.

Lacking in order

Seems like a form of slang that you are applying to the word.

As far as I know, that is the meaning of chaos, and I am not modifying it. What meaning you believe "chaos" has?

I found a few online dictionaries that seem to agree with me:

Chaos - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Chaos | Define Chaos at Dictionary.com
chaos - definition of chaos by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

What those people do, is in an orderly manner doing what they like to do, that has nothing to do with chaos.

You are looking too closely and thereby can't distinct the difference between orderly fashion and chaos.

Riot/anarchy is chaos, a traffic jam is chaos, a company nearing it's deadline often end in chaos.

I disagree. People dont coordinate their desires with those of others, if they did, we wouldnt have traffic jams.

A traffic jam in itself isn't a desire, so I don't see your point.