I have tolerated your immaturity for as long as I can and will no longer respond to your inane @#$%*
Have you ever seen a little girl dancing in joy in the summer sun
[QUOTE]Are you asking if I'm a pedophile? Nope, I date 21+
"This is offensive, ugly and even shows an potential for that evil, and I will ignore any post from you directed at me.
This possibility exist in your mind not mine"
My dear departed mother was a confirmed atheist as is my wife ....
I have no problem with a confirmed atheist , my brother Roger is one and he is a really great guy
But it will still interest me if you could get your wife to read the topic and get her take on the matter :bigsmile:
That said, since intelligent design is still a cogent and logical idea, even if it does not belong in the far more specialist world of science, it still can find a home in our misfit world of philosophy. While we must bear in mind that the metaphysical implications of discarding evolution (which is what the movement calling itself "intelligent design" seeks to do) necessarily involves the rejection of all hard science, the grander idea behind intelligent design--that God created the universe--is still a logical, cogent, and wholly adequate explication.
Thank you for a meaningful thought out response
And yes ID IS NOT SCIENCEI never said it was, only that some factors of classical physics indicate there might be an ID Thus the long list of fundamental constants etc
Sir, I salute you! ID is valid theology, and it has its place in philosophy. The thing that invalidates ID the most is its pretence of being a science. This undermines its sincerity, highlighting its alterior motives.
Again an informative response thank you. I Read your post very carefully and it makes real sense
I agree we can never prove ID scientifically only give substantive clues though science that there might be an ID no more no less
I belong to no religious organisation, but I really don't mind if others do, so long as they do not try to force feed me with their exclusive ideas on creation etc. I make up my own mind, but I am flexible and can be moved from my position with telling dialogue, communication an debate by other informed folk, indeed some much more informed than me
I'm not hot under the collar. I'm just waiting for you to demonstrate an intelligent designer using the scientific method. Or at least propose a method to do so. What is your method?
That was just a generalised comment not aimed specifically at you, sorry if you took it that way.
I unfortunately cannot put god or whatever you like under a scientific petry dish.
I can only suggest that there are indicators like the fundamental laws that hold the universe give us clues that there "might be a great and mighty mind" behind you and me and our families as well as the rest of the universe.
I am not silly enough to think I could ever describe this infinite ID possibly it is as far removed from me as I am from a cockroach
The cockroach being the greater intellect in my case according to some on this forum :perplexed: :bigsmile:
What is your scientific method of proving there is no ID I am really interested in that
Either way the truth will remain the truth no matter which side of the fence we care to sit on. Do I have the truth , I do not know, do you do you know.
It is important to know what we do not know, don't you think :perplexed:
We cannot even predict the weather beyond a few days(and even then not very accurately), and dynamical systems(math associated with chaos theory) suggest that we may never be able to, so to say that if this aspect of physical reality were different, then life could not exist has no validity beyond possibility. We cannot prove it false any more than we can prove it true
True we can not predict the weather because entropy is a built in reality of our universe and everything tends to go from order to chaos
But we are getting better at it by the day and one day (long after I have gone) when computing power increases in speed and might by use of the quantum computer we might be able to track the path of every fundamental particle in the universe
Thank you guys :bigsmile: , with the express exclusion of one :mad: