Surely a benevolent creator could have made a better way of energising our bodies, maybe by just standing in the sun and absorbing energy directly from it, like walking solar panels :perplexed:
I don't think my stance is stubborn arrogance (I know you did any mean offense) My stance if you back track to former posts, you will read that I can be moved by telling logic as was I with the very informative and fact based posts by Aedes.
I might have moved from a position of ID to a belief that we are just enormously lucky, it was bound to happen somewhere and somewhen.
Whatever we believe right or wrong will make no difference to the truth and I have not reached and might never reach the point were I will be absolutely positive about this topic.
If you guys give some honest reflection I think you will have to come to a similar conclusion
If all we have in the eternity and infinity that is existence, is this tiny moment we call life, then chance has played a very cruel joke on all of us
So I rage and rage at the dimming of the light and fight against the coming of the eternal night
Why must this entity be divine? I am not anti-evolutionist because the truth of it stares me in the face. But I retain sufficient objectivity to consider that there might be some great intelligent (not necessary Divine) that is experimenting with life on our earth.
You grudging agreement that there is beauty is heart warming. Yes I have experienced beauty beyond that of this world I have been clinically dead and what I saw was unimaginably beautiful.`
But lets leave it at that, I saw what I saw and and I am not going to try to convince you that there are dimensions, realms, both of beauty and light as well of dark and ugly that are realities mostly unseen
If you really think this little tiny dot of dust we call earth is all that is , you must have a very narrow outlook
Being a tiny entity in the vastness of existence, the reative force we call God is beyond human definition and if you read my posts I never try to tell anyone what god is or what god is not
It would be like a cockroach trying to fathom the space shuttle
That is my only point. I love the world that I experience, not an abstraction that I have imagined and cannot experience. To each his own though Alan
I believe that when Einstein was asked about the existence of God he replied that he knew of no reason why God should not exist (or words to that effect). But more than that, I don't think science is now so certain about the difference between matter and energy that nothing of us could live on (without any chance of an evolutionary interaction of course). However, this may be pushing Einstein's words too far
I still think (sorry) this betrays the same principle. We're not 'lucky' (in the evolutionist picture) - we evolved here determinstically, if unpredictably. It seems to me you keep imagining the world or universe under different conditions and consider how we would fit in. But there would be no 'we', thus no misfortune for us. We're not lucky that the universe is the way it is - we're here because the universe is the way it is.
I tend to take scientific theory with a pinch of salt despite being a physicist (it never goes down well). Every once in a while you hit a theory that is so right in so many ways, that is so rigorously derivable from such near-as-dammit self-evident assumptions that it seems absurd to do anything other than embrace it. For me, relativity is one. Evolution is another.
If we evolved deterministically, then who is/was the determinator, nature?, evolution? or chance ?
There are some who say it is not us that need the universe but it is the universe who needs us. Without an observer would it exist?
There are experiences that many of us have that simply have no natural explanation. A child finding the specter of her dying mother standing at the foot of her bed at the very moment of the mother's death, which happened thousands of miles away.
There other ghostly realms on very edge of our limited perception, sort of glimpses we see of other realities De jay vu
I have just been privileged to watch a TV documentary Dark Moon Rising, where all the astronauts in the Apollo Saturn 5 moon missions were interviewed. What impressed me is how many had a sort of an epiphany a realization that there is greater meaning and we are one great connected universe, all made of the same stuff
If you like some even found God
Why if an ant colony can have a group mind, why cant the universe to sustained by something similar
So why is it silly to believe that out of the chaos of the universe a great coordinator was directing the whole thing
Coming back to evolution/ID we observe much the same thing, but after long periods of time there seems to me anyway a causative push from a universal mind directing creation much like a conductor directs his orchestra
We must rise up higher than religion, higher than present science and acknowledge at least there might me a director of our reality
Is there a God, or isn't there a God, depends on our ability to disprove God. The burden of proof rests upon the skeptical to validate its position.
The Big Bang violates the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. Beyond these violations of natural law, the Big Bang is unable to explain uneven "voids" and "clumps" throughout the universe.
Plus, there remains the question, "where did the Big Bang come from?" This question remains unsolved, even in the minds of atheists.
The incredible design that permeates all things implies a Designer.
I disagree with a simple point. a word called accident. What you are trying to prove in terms of ID is more or less based on incidental terms. A set of incidents planned and executed. The very fact that life is in existence on this planet is more or less a accident. Life on earth is a mere accident. A harsh reality.
Considering a few points...
There are bodies in the universe can be, might be , may have been grounds for life, It is because of the fact that life happens, hapenning or happened considering that the kind of life form(s) exist, might have existed or might come into existence in a atmosphere that supports existence to those particular set of life forms. This planet was never a object with life forms, life took place eventually, evolution is a word i would want to rise. Not to get into the further development of life, but to explain that life was in existence and grew in different forms because life had to suffice itself with what was available. This might have taken place, might been taking place, might take place in quite a few other celestial objects out there. Life is mere accident!! Never Planned and Executed.
Anthropomorphic Principle fail. Sorry.
Because he/she is claiming that, based off of subjective reasoning, that the universe and everything was made specifically for us. This is incorrect, we are a product of our environment; our environment owns us. It decides who/what survives.
Those reasons are why we are here and not the other way around. It's as simple as this: we are only here in our current state, because universal laws permit it.
Besides, I believe I disproved the notion of a creator in one of my threads: (don't worry about watching the first three videos, if you don't have the time.)