I don't know and I am not an expert in this thing, mostly it happened spontaneously especially when I am tired or sleep deprived.

Her experience was much more profound than anything I or most others have experienced, for all purposes she was really clinically dead.

Anyway what privacy was she invading?

I have never had a lucid dream, that I could direct to some place, and invade the privacy of someone. There seems to be a barrier against that type of thing

In the example you provided there was no mention of each person in the room having to provide consent for this lady to see what everyone was doing ie did the anesthetist give consent to be spied on by an OOBE

All parts of her are to be allowed in the room, by explicit agreement.

I am not saying that her mind or soul was not allowed in the room, Alan is saying that a barrier secures privacy from un-warranted OOBE. I am saying that unless this lady obtained permission from the each occupant in the room prior to her OOBE, then Alan's privacy barrier should of prevented her from seeing what the other occupants of the room were doing.

If this lady can have an OOBE and view people with out their knowledge, then you and Alan have a disagreement. Please decide amongst yourselves, may I suggest evidence be a trump card.

You do acknowledge, then, that her body, mind, soul, and spirit, as defined by her, were allowed in, by explicit and implicit consent..allowed in, as "is", as "will be", and as "won't be" ?

The article does not provide Pam Reynolds definition of soul or spirit, but for the sake of arguement I will say, yes her soul and spirit were allowed in the room.

Interest in "lucid dreaming" and "out of body experiences" is a preeminently nihilistic impulse. Try coming to grips with the actual world before frolicking around in your fantasy land.

validity

I will put my +*&% on a block and try to take up your challenge. It is a real disadvantage to know anything about you before I try, for instance I know you are an Aussie from Sydney and this knowledge can influence the outcome. But I will not do it by lucid dreaming or OOB but by remote viewing, who else is brave enough to try the same thing on me?

Peace

...and the patient's right to behave as "seen fit" is implicitly agreed upon..whether to interfere with, verbally assault, threaten, curse at , attempt to strike at, poop, vomit or bleed on, or observe, the others in the room ?

You see, the agreement had to be in - and stay in - effect with an affectively dead person at some stages ..it has to be a fairly broad "kind" of implicit agreement...no ?

validity

I will put my +*&% on a block and try to take up your challenge. It is a real disadvantage to know anything about you before I try, for instance I know you are an Aussie from Sydney and this knowledge can influence the outcome. But I will not do it by lucid dreaming or OOB but by remote viewing, who else is brave enough to try the same thing on me?

Why might I ask? your fantasy just might be my reality and my reality much more colourful than your bleak grey actual world full of war rape, murder, politics you keep to your world and allow me to keep to mine

Turning away from the world out of despair is for cowards and degenerates.

:bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile: Hahaha he will try to remote view validity a member on this forum hahah how he is so funny

OBEs

could be just a fraction of our minds

but what or how small could these fractions be?

it could be one small atom in the universe

or could exceed all of the local space-time reality

but time is the ILLUSION

and space is the dream

we must work our way of the dark tunnels we have excavated

or else black hole will enter the ever present and current gaping biosphere of our MINDS.

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That being said I think this is a great and perfect way of inducing OBE's I mean whatever works for you it works so try it out and if you dont think it works then just type in how to have an OBE on Google

and just go with the flow of things try to raise your electromagnetic energy in your body high enough so your mind or consciousness can move out of your present physical body. remember it only works if you believe it will work.

and try this out coupled wiith his OBE induction method and just paste with the flow: FREE Astral Projection MP3 From SalviaDragon.com

So you enter a new forum full of sarcasm and insults, don't you know no less than the KGB and the CIA used remote viewing, but for you I don't need to I already know who and what and where you are and what I perceive about you I do not like so go and mumble into you beard as far as I am concerned

I know all about Salvia, try it it really gives you a high, one can get it in your local herb store. You seem to be high on it already

"May the fleas of ten thousand camels be lodged in your beard" :nonooo::dont-pushit:

I have mixed emotions about you?

You don;t understand sense of humour? I was not making fun...

I already know about tactics of remote viewing. It's awesome that you can remote view me, really . Come over, we can have a nice chat

And yes I am high on many things :poke-eye:.

You shouldn't wish bad upon people, karma karma karma

But I don't speak english well but I have great respect for your abilities you are very full of great knowledge.

I heard there is something called an isolation chamber, where they have a giant coffin like tub with a lid. They fill it up with water and lots and lots of salt. The salt of course causes buoyancy and the feeling of weightlessness. Its supposed to be pitch dark and I think your supposed to be submerged all the way up to your ears so sound is isolated. With all this sensory isolation, the idea is to slip into a trip. Anyone heard of this?



peace