Rich

Yes, if you think it is real, then it is real until you learn otherwise. And even then you might be just part of a scam. Such is life.

Rich

It seems to be a problem without a solution then. Do you think it might be interesting to discuss how we could/should conduct our lives, in light of your conclusion that we cannot tell the difference between real and fake?

What do you think, Zacrates? This is your thread.

Would you accept living your life the way richrf seems to be proposing?

Yes that seems like a good idea.....



I am not sure what I would do, because if all of you are fake, than I would change the way I live, but there is the chance that you could be real... I can never truly know i guess.....

But we can tell the difference between real and fake. And if I cannot, then others can. So what would the discussion be about?

The real, and fake I am talking about, is how do I know that you are all real people and not people created for my personal world, etc.

What is a fake person? A robot?

read the other posts in the thread

But why cannot I think something is a real diamond and it turn out to be made of glass? Many people have been swindled. Whether a something is real or fake has nothing whatever to do with what anyone thinks is real or fake. Wherever did you get such a notion? (And how could it be a scam if the diamond is real because you think it is? If it is real, then it cannot be a scam).

People are fooled people. People can fool people. Some say it is real. Some say it is not real. One just never knows. If you have something valuable to sell, you just hope you find someone who thinks it is real. You take a chance. If you think there is certainty you will learn a lot in your life.

Rich

If you have something valuable to sell, you just hope you find someone who thinks it is real.
Rich

I agree with that idea. It may sound self-centered, but it is possible that the only reason you and the many others are here is simply a test for another world. In this world we are randomly placed in a society with no idea how we truly got here, and are surrounded by people who claim to be one of us. How do we now this is truth? How could we know this is truth? I've been pondering on that thought for quite sometime, and it is quite possible that the only reason that you would hear me telling you this is because I am giving you the answer. I am not, but if i was i would not want you to believe me, right? But maybe the only reason i read Zacrate's post is for the world to make me believe that my theory is incorrect and it has been thought of and therefore can not be possible. The only thing i know for sure is that i exist, possibly I am not complete lyphysically in this place, but definitely i am still mentally here. Do not be quick to reject others' ideas, that is the seed of ignorance, and the death of mankind.

Pinch yoursel and you will feel it, pinch someone else and you will not feel it

That's true. But, so what? (Anyway, if I pinch someone else I will feel my pinching him. And he won't feel that).

But it is you that is feeling hurt on yourself when you pinch yourself and on on your fingers when you pinch him. So some will twist logic and say because you can not feel the effect of your pinching of the other person, from your subjective perceptive he does not exist.

But nevertheless he exists because you can smell and hear him

Pinch yoursel and you will feel it, pinch someone else and you will not feel it

I agree with this thanks for posting it!!

I suppose he would exist even if you could not smell or hear him. In fact, he would exist even if you did not.
I think what you may mean is that you know he exists because you can smell and hear him. And, yes. If you can smell and hear him, then you know he exists (and therefore, that he exists). But his existence does not depend on whether or not you can smell, hear, or even, pinch him.

I know of no one who argues that if you cannot feel what another feels, that other does not exist.

Have you thought kennethamy that from your perceptive if you were to vanish so would the whole of existence, so strangly we might be more important that we know

Some physicists postulate that the universe only exists because there are sentient beings like us observing it. This idea is just an extrapolation of quantum theory where a fundamental particle can only be said to exist if it is observed

If I were to vanish, existence would not vanish. Only my knowledge of existence would vanish. Since physicists also point out that the world existed long before there were sentient beings, how could they also point out that existence depends on being observed? Both cannot be true.