Why did God create humans?

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KaseiJin
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:45 pm
@trismegisto,
trismegisto;153034 wrote:
I am afraid you are wrong. But as with most, I am sure I cannot shake your FAITH in this belief.


I tell you what; do you happen to have a good English dictionary on hand? My suggestion would the The Oxford English Dictionary, in its full volume set. I'll provide two definitions here, and then provide examples later (since my setting is not which allows me to do such at the moment).

[indent]1.unquestioning belief that does not require proof & or evidence
2. unquestioning belief in God, religious tenets, etc.
5.complete trust, confidence, or reliance.
[/indent]

When cross-referencing 'confidence,' we can find the clue to how the word faith is used in contexts regarding empirical knowledge, with: 'the fact of being or feeling certain; assurance.' We can say that we unspokenly have faith that when we turn the car key, the engine will start, that when we open that box of Cracker Jacks there'll be some sort of 'prize' in it besides what's edible. This is the type of faith that tests and observations through scientific method, in the realm of the empirical sciences, allow us to hold.

Now then, if we cross-reference the term 'blind faith,' we'll find the likes of :'disregarding evidence, sound logic, etc..' This will inform us that we do have this description, which, by the way fits both numbers one and two above, and, at the same time, that this description is opposition to the number five sense of the bare term, faith. The most accurate conclusion, therefore, is that we have different senses, thus different meanings, levels, of the word 'faith.' Now, trismegisto, I do not know you well enough to say I have faith that you'll be able to reason to this same conclusion, yet I do have faith that you cannot disprove the validity of this conclusion. Do you see where I'm coming from now?

Let me get back with you a bit later, please, HexHammer...sorry...and you are correct on the tetragammaton. There is a model, as laid out by the Hebrew writings, which both describe and prescribe that deity. This exact god-model is the one being pointed to when the English word, with the capital G, ("God") is being used because the generic noun adopted that usage over the actual proper noun (name) YHWH, to appease Jewish superstition. More later....sorry.
 
Krumple
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 10:54 pm
@trismegisto,
trismegisto;153014 wrote:
Faith is faith no matter where you place it. It still is the choice of believing that which has no evidence.


No you are being dishonest and you know it. Let's examine it from another perspective to show you that you are neglecting the term.

As you are trying to point out. You could have faith in your car breaks. Will they work when you step on them? This is testable but you want to call it faith. Your belief in a god and calling it faith is not testable. These two examples are completely different. Since you can not test the existence of god, but you can test the other forms you are trying to say are equal to your belief type of faith. They are not.

Just like the emotion of love or even a blanket statement of love.

You could say, you love spaghetti, but is that the same as saying you love a particular person? No. They are different. The same is true for your attempt to say that faith is faith for everything no matter where you place it. That is like saying your love of spaghetti is the same as the love you have for a person. Would you agree with that?

They are not the same thing and it is only your attempt to try and claim that faith in a god is exactly the same as faith in the workings of something. They are clearly separate because one is testable while the other is not. It was a nice try and as always you never check your work, you only assume people will just accept your argument as factual.
 
trismegisto
 
Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 02:43 pm
@KaseiJin,
KaseiJin;153045 wrote:
I tell you what; do you happen to have a good English dictionary on hand? My suggestion would the The Oxford English Dictionary, in its full volume set. I'll provide two definitions here, and then provide examples later (since my setting is not which allows me to do such at the moment).
[INDENT]1.unquestioning belief that does not require proof & or evidence
2. unquestioning belief in God, religious tenets, etc.
5.complete trust, confidence, or reliance.
[/INDENT]When cross-referencing 'confidence,' we can find the clue to how the word faith is used in contexts regarding empirical knowledge, with: 'the fact of being or feeling certain; assurance.' We can say that we unspokenly have faith that when we turn the car key, the engine will start, that when we open that box of Cracker Jacks there'll be some sort of 'prize' in it besides what's edible. This is the type of faith that tests and observations through scientific method, in the realm of the empirical sciences, allow us to hold.


Don't get me wrong I understand what you are attempting to say here. But let me try to point out again how you are wrong.

When a scientist has taken the time to establish a theory, that scientist has developed the type of faith you are trying to make a distinction for.

When the same scientist publishes that theory and you read and accept the same conclusions the scientist has come to you have what you call blind faith in science.

Both are a belief in something for which there is no evidence which is the definition of all faith but I will concede that the type that most people have is the more dangerous.

I hope that clears that up for you.
 
lazymon
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 03:39 am
@NecromanticSin,
Hi all, I am new to the forum. I have only read the first two pages of this thread forgive me but 7 pages are a lot to read. Especially with many posts from others who do not know much about what Christianity believes. So I probably missed a lot of the serious discussion parts.

So I consider myself a Christian and have learned much from Presbyterian, baptist, catholic, and others. About half of my life has been devout to studying and practicing my faith. The other half well, lets say I am not religious anymore.

Anyway back to the topic. I asked many fellow Christians this question before and their serious reply was either "I don't know." or "To enjoy God."

So the only real answer was that our human consciousness was created only to be able to enjoy the creator and his creations.

Being new to the forum I am unsure how to go back and quote someone but someone asked something like this: "Did god ever regret creating humans?" Yes. In fact Genesis 6:6 states that his creation brought him pain.

I hope my post was helpful and will answer any more questions about what I know about Christianity.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:22 am
@lazymon,
lazymon;158323 wrote:

Being new to the forum I am unsure how to go back and quote someone but someone asked something like this: "Did god ever regret creating humans?" Yes. In fact Genesis 6:6 states that his creation brought him pain.

I hope my post was helpful and will answer any more questions about what I know about Christianity.


U say god took a sick-leave after creating Humans ?Laughing
 
lazymon
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:30 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
I am unsure what you mean by sick leave as the bible continues on to say that because of the pain the humans gave him he destroyed them all, even the animals, with a flood except for two of each animal and a few righteous humans. (Noah and the ark)

Now we also know that Christians also believe that God is all knowing. He knew this was going to happen.

So basically in our free will we have the power to hate god and cause him pain thus not fulfilling our purpose.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:48 am
@lazymon,
lazymon;158336 wrote:
I am unsure what you mean by sick leave as the bible continues on to say that because of the pain the humans gave him he destroyed them all, even the animals, with a flood except for two of each animal and a few righteous humans. (Noah and the ark)

Now we also know that Christians also believe that God is all knowing. He knew this was going to happen.

So basically in our free will we have the power to hate god and cause him pain thus not fulfilling our purpose.


Can 6,000.000.001 suffering Humans cause enough pain to drive god insane ?
Can 1/3 of world population cause sickness ?
 
lazymon
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:01 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Can 6,000.000.001 suffering Humans cause enough pain to drive god insane ?

I think God is more concerned with the reason he created us in the first place. If we are not fulfilling our purpose in enjoying his creation then he has no problem with wiping us out.


Can 1/3 of world population cause sickness ?

Razz
 
prothero
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:25 pm
@NecromanticSin,
Quote:
]"why did god create humans/"
Well even god makes mistakes sometimes.
 
melonkali
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 06:21 pm
@NecromanticSin,
I studied this question semi-seriously for a while, even went back to school at a late age searching for answers, but what I learned, at least academically, was pretty disappointing:

Genesis 1-11 was largely borrowed from Mesopotamian (Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian) mythos, probably during the Hebrews' Babylonian captivity, and patently edited to reflect Hebraic theology.

According to the oldest Mesopotamian myths (still the oldest recorded, written history as yet discovered, I believe), "the gods" created man as "slave labor" to do the work of "the gods", primarily in the fields and in the mines.

Now I'm not claiming that this academic analysis is any kind of "final truth" or "answer to some big question" -- I'm just throwing it into the mix for others' consideration.

rebecca
 
Deckard
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 07:56 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;147548 wrote:
To create God......


To paraphrase Voltaire: humans did not exist so God found it necessary to invent them.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:18 pm
@NecromanticSin,
..he created us to ask utterly stupid questions all the time!
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 12:08 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158646 wrote:
..he created us to ask utterly stupid questions all the time!


Stay patient, stay cool, become Old and humans will look after you. Profided pension and Healthcare are OK.

In the meantime I have a question: why do we want God in our Mind, is not everybody better of with God in their church ? Just in de church I mean.
 
wayne
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 12:13 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158686 wrote:
Stay patient, stay cool, become Old and humans will look after you. Profided pension and Healthcare are OK.

In the meantime I have a question: why do we want God in our Mind, is not everybody better of with God in their church ? Just in de church I mean.



I need someone to listen when no one else will. God is a good listener.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 03:07 am
@wayne,
wayne;158688 wrote:
I need someone to listen when no one else will. God is a good listener.
How do you know?
 
spiltteeth
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 02:39 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158749 wrote:
How do you know?


I agree with Wayne, thus far He has not interrupted my discourse at all. A most patient listener indeed.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 02:44 pm
@spiltteeth,
Does He refer to Wayne, or to God ? Very confusing like christian Trinity...
 
spiltteeth
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 02:48 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;159072 wrote:
Does He refer to Wayne, or to God ? Very confusing like christian Trinity...


Neither Wayne nor God has thus interrupted my discourse, so perhaps they both are good listeners.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 06:32 pm
@spiltteeth,
spiltteeth;159070 wrote:
I agree with Wayne, thus far He has not interrupted my discourse at all. A most patient listener indeed.
Guys, how do you know he listen at all? Isn't it just wishful thinking from your part?
 
spiltteeth
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 06:40 pm
@HexHammer,
Considering the incredible fine tuning of the universe, the statistical impossibility of human evolution by chance, the sense of the divine inborn every human and a host of other rationales, there is good reason to think God created the universe, and that we have special meaning for Him.

So rather than 'wishful thinking' it is simple inference.
 
 

 
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