That would be a fatal flaw. No, if we don't use this logic to deconstruct then we sure as hell shouldn't be using the same logic to believe! If you disagree, however, then I don't see how you can say I can't use this same logic.
Even if we don't address that God has to follow his own commandments, he still, in some cases, supports the murders taken place by a human. So, if the commandment is "Thou shalt not kill", it is contradictory. Why don't we all go around killing people and just say it's 'God's will'? Yeah, it's just silly to me.
It is a seriously schizophrenic text!
ROFL, well said
As I said, Direct Emmissary... If God told someone to do it, its not murder.
We have to remember that the various books of the Bible were not written as a uniform text. Even the compilation of Jewish scripture (the OT) is a later development, long after the texts were written.
New Testament is the same - many books written after the death of Jesus. Some time later, a group of Bishops got together and, for political purposes, selected some books to be official canon and set others into the flames - along with the people who valued those so called heretical texts.
Scholars theorize about the changes you mention - and there are even well documented changes.
But these issues only become serious problems to people who demand the Bible, their version of course, to be literally true. The rest of us can investigate the literature ourselves. Thank God.
So, then as a Christian you must consider that the entire book may be a sham? Right?
And if you do, then what exactly makes you a Christian?
Right, I must consider the possibility.
Because I find value in many of the teachings attributed to Jesus.
Mhm, labels are misleading.
A Christian is someone who finds value in the teachings of Jesus. That's the only definition that accounts for all Christians. At least, the only definition that I know of that accounts for all Christians.
Agnostic refers to a view on God. You can be agnostic and be a Christian.
'Blaspheme the Father and you shall be forgiven. Blaspheme the Son and you shall be forgiven. Blaspheme the Holy Spirit and you shall not be forgiven in Heaven or in Earth' - from the Gospel of Thomas, one of those books banned from the Bible.
Pardon me, but you did not give this sort of qualification to your question in previous posts.
If you want fundamentalist Christians to justify themselves, good luck. I think even serious attempts to justify their beliefs are against their beliefs.
Myself, I do not take the literature literally, nor do I accept all canon, and I accept some extra-canonical literature for my personal scripture. I also have no problem looking to other faith traditions for spiritual guidance. I am a Christian in that I find value in teachings attributed to Jesus. Some teachings attributed to him I think to be forgeries and nasty attempts to rule over the masses. I am even less attached to Old Testament literature, though, I can read through the stories and see the allegorical meaning and appreciate the stories for their content.
They often actually do try to justify themselves. All I am seeking is the possibility of one of them actually making some sort of rational sense. I know this is so far-fetched from the reality of fundamentalist Christianity, but I can dream, can I not?
I can understand that. My main problem is with the sociopathic Christians who take the bible so literally they are actually WILLING to justify stoning people to death for being Wiccans, or burning people alive, or killing senselessly. I don't understand how they don't realize they have no moral fiber whatsoever; it's absolutely frakking insane if you ask me.
But then what is stopping people now from just murdering people and saying it's God's will (and yes, many people do do this)? I highly doubt even Christians would buy that load of bull****! If God says to do it, it's not murder? Surely these people aren't not killing just because of their religion (as the religion actually advocates it in some instances)
Wouldn't it be just as logical to ask, "How do non-Christians possibly condemn these things?"