@MMP2506,
MMP2506;164975 wrote:The fire engines and redness in general are both also dependent upon an observer, and if you looked at the article I posted you would understand why. Reality is something which must be observed to exist, that is one of the properties of reality.
To say that fire engines have the property of being red means that I have observed that fire engines have the property of being red. If nobody ever observed redness, than fire engines would never have that property.
Can I provide any more evidence then what I have presented, I thought that article would make things pretty clear?
Evidence for what? Of course, as I said, color is an interactive property. It depends partly on the object, and partly on the observer. But that does not imply that even if color is a property, it is not a property anyway. It is a property, but, unlike other properties, it is interactive. Why cannot an interactive property also be a property?
By the way, it is simply false that for something to exist it has to be observed. If that we true, a store of gold ore would not exist until we observed it. But, then, how could we have discovered it (by observing it) unless it had existence
before we observed it? Thus, it is not a property of reality that it be observed. Of course, it is a property of what is observed that it be real. But that is something quite different. You should not confuse the proposition that everything that is observed is real (which is, of course, true), with its converse, the proposition that everything that is real is observed, which is, of course, false.
"Logic is logic, that's all I can say". Oliver Wendell Holmes.